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Job Ethics Question | Switching jobs & Leave

Posted on 3/28/23 at 8:10 am
Posted by rpg37
Ocean Springs, MS
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 3/28/23 at 8:10 am
I have been offered a new position at the collegiate level coaching and teaching a few grad level classes. I currently coach my school's HS team and teach middle school so it is a great opportunity and move up. As a teacher, we are allotted 10 days per year for sick and personal use. I had accumulated about 50 days in my years here as it leads to early retirement if you save a bunch.

The collegiate position, however, is not in the same retirement so those days do not count for anything. I spoke to HR last week and they said the policy for my scenario is "use them or lose them." I asked if I could be paid out or come to any workable solution, but they said no. So, I have been liberal in my use of sick days since and used twice in the past week. My principal and now HR are hounding me on maintaining attendance. Legally, they have no leg to stand on, but I was wondering what others thought? Teachers have told me to ignore them because they cannot do anything, but I was wondering if I should take into account anything else? But basically, it is hard to motivate myself to work for free.

For eleven years, I had come to work sick, missed personal opportunities for trips with friends and family, etc. and now being hounded to not use them feels pretty shitty to me. However, in the same breath, they say they are very sad to see me go.
Posted by dallastiger55
Jennings, LA
Member since Jan 2010
27687 posts
Posted on 3/28/23 at 8:12 am to
What’s the difference in pay?

If it’s a huge difference I would just have to swallow it
Posted by PureBlood
The Motherland
Member since Oct 2021
3875 posts
Posted on 3/28/23 at 8:12 am to
So, you get a new job opportunity and you're mad that the entity you're leaving isn't going to make your life easier?


yeh, okay
Posted by LSUtwolves
Member since Jun 2016
852 posts
Posted on 3/28/23 at 8:12 am to
Use them all. If you can, take a 50 day vacation.

And that’s not to stick it to your current job. It’s that you’ve earned those days. They are yours to do as you will
This post was edited on 3/28/23 at 8:14 am
Posted by wileyjones
Member since May 2014
2292 posts
Posted on 3/28/23 at 8:13 am to
Posted by redneck
Los Suenos, Costa Rica
Member since Dec 2003
53597 posts
Posted on 3/28/23 at 8:14 am to
quote:

My principal and now HR are hounding me on maintaining attendance




Tell them that it will not be a problem if

quote:

I could be paid out or come to any workable solution
Posted by Tbonepatron
Member since Aug 2013
8447 posts
Posted on 3/28/23 at 8:14 am to
Posted by h0bnail
Member since Sep 2009
7391 posts
Posted on 3/28/23 at 8:15 am to
I get your side, but kinda sucks for the school too. What kind of education are these kids getting, if they have a substitute half the time?
Posted by Witty_Username
Member since Jul 2021
430 posts
Posted on 3/28/23 at 8:15 am to
quote:

I had accumulated about 50 days in my years here as it leads to early retirement if you save a bunch.

quote:

My principal and now HR are hounding me on maintaining attendance.

My first thought is if the government offers "great benefits," then they need to deal with people using said benefits. I say use those days.
Posted by rpg37
Ocean Springs, MS
Member since Sep 2008
47402 posts
Posted on 3/28/23 at 8:16 am to
quote:

What’s the difference in pay?

If it’s a huge difference I would just have to swallow it


None. I get paid the exact same amount whether I go to work or use the days. That's how screwed up education. They would rather pay a substitute the work instead of having me.
Posted by rpg37
Ocean Springs, MS
Member since Sep 2008
47402 posts
Posted on 3/28/23 at 8:17 am to
quote:

I get your side, but kinda sucks for the school too. What kind of education are these kids getting, if they have a substitute half the time?


I totally agree. I asked explicitly could I at least be given a cash out for those saved days...give me the rate of pay the sub would get and they said no.
Posted by dallastiger55
Jennings, LA
Member since Jan 2010
27687 posts
Posted on 3/28/23 at 8:17 am to
No, I meant what’s the difference in pay in the college job versus your current job?
Posted by DawgCountry
Great State of GA
Member since Sep 2012
30545 posts
Posted on 3/28/23 at 8:17 am to
if they wont pay you for the days

quote:

Use them all. If you can, take a 50 day vacation.

Posted by soccerfüt
Location: A Series of Tubes
Member since May 2013
65578 posts
Posted on 3/28/23 at 8:20 am to


Seriously, tell your supervisor what you got going and ask him/his/her/she/it/they/them what are your legal options.
This post was edited on 3/28/23 at 8:20 am
Posted by bamaguy17
Member since Jul 2022
714 posts
Posted on 3/28/23 at 8:20 am to
quote:

What kind of education are these kids getting

Honestly, this is why I would just eat the days. The kids will suffer with a substitute and that would hang over me forever.
Posted by rpg37
Ocean Springs, MS
Member since Sep 2008
47402 posts
Posted on 3/28/23 at 8:20 am to
quote:

No, I meant what’s the difference in pay in the college job versus your current job?


It's about the same pay actually. However, teaching one class per semester of grad level >> public middle school teaching. Coaching college is a great opportunity.I cannot pass it up. I have a good setup here, but burning out and becoming bored. I need a change and a new challenge.
Posted by 3nOut
Central Texas, TX
Member since Jan 2013
28856 posts
Posted on 3/28/23 at 8:22 am to
I left k12 on the admin side and had 20 days of vacation that were use/lose.

I had a month of leeway before the new job and wanted to leave the district on good terms since my kids still went there. I took half days every other day. My boss got that I wasn’t trying to screw the district, but they were happy for me to be screwed out of those days.

That being said, I also worked up to 6:30 pm in my last day to make sure that they were good to go before I left.
This post was edited on 3/28/23 at 8:24 am
Posted by pelicansfan123
Member since Jan 2015
1986 posts
Posted on 3/28/23 at 8:22 am to
I totally understand where you're coming from, would just caution you about punishing the students because HR is being unreasonable...
Posted by Park duck
Sip
Member since Oct 2018
389 posts
Posted on 3/28/23 at 8:22 am to
Fellow teacher here, SCREW THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by SteveLSU35
Shreveport
Member since Mar 2004
13946 posts
Posted on 3/28/23 at 8:22 am to
If you're not in a testing subject then enjoy some time off and with family.
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