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re: Janet Reno - Dead
Posted on 11/7/16 at 9:54 am to LSUwag
Posted on 11/7/16 at 9:54 am to LSUwag
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She will rot in hell for what she did to those people in Waco.
She was the Butcher of Waco. I still remember watching those tanks punch holes in the compound's wall and thinking this was going to end so badly. Still, I was shocked by how it ended.
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Posted on 11/7/16 at 9:55 am to tigerbutt
My mama always told me that if you can't say something nice about someone, don't say anything at all. And we aren't supposed to speak ill of the dead.
So, with that out of the way, 78 was a good run.
So, with that out of the way, 78 was a good run.
Posted on 11/7/16 at 9:55 am to RogerTheShrubber
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The worst part of the whole story is Koresh would go to town by himself and could easily have been picked up at any time. Instead, they chose to storm the place which led to a firefight.
this, the end result is what they wanted, didn't have to go down that way, the jack booted thugs provoked that
Posted on 11/7/16 at 10:10 am to tigerbutt
She must of had the goods on clinton
Posted on 11/7/16 at 10:22 am to RogerTheShrubber
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The worst part of the whole story is Koresh would go to town by himself and could easily have been picked up at any time. Instead, they chose to storm the place which led to a firefight.
B.s. Roger. The man was tipped off about the Feds & could/would stay in the compound forever if need be.
Blue Lives obviously don't matter.......
Posted on 11/7/16 at 10:26 am to sugar71
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The man was tipped off about the Feds & could/would stay in the compound forever if need be.
True, but they were specifically paranoid about the Federal government. The sheriff served a prior warrant at the compound, by himself. The feds wanted to go another way.
The worst part is that Koresh (crazy as hell, no one is disputing that) preached that the feds would come and kill them all. They proved him right in the end with all those children.
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Blue Lives obviously don't matter.
The lives of children of crazy people obviously don't, either.
Posted on 11/7/16 at 10:29 am to REG861
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You lost me here. Koresh had a bunch of prepubescent child sex slaves. Pardon me for not wanting to leave him alone.
But many trash Penn State University & Joe Paterno for not properly investigating child abuse claims.
The FBI wishes to investigate claims of child abuse by an obvious demented cult leader & they are " Jack Booted Thugs".
Bush Sr. denounced his NRA membership due to this type of inflammatory rhetoric.
Posted on 11/7/16 at 10:32 am to tigerbutt
Actually I thought he died around 15 years ago. Oh well.
Posted on 11/7/16 at 10:35 am to sugar71
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The FBI wishes to investigate claims of child abuse by an obvious demented cult leader & they are " Jack Booted Thugs". Bush Sr. denounced his NRA membership due to this type of inflammatory rhetoric.
Let's keep things on an even keel, here. The ATF did the initial raid, because that didn't have a damned thing to do with the kids - they were after the illegal guns (evidence of which was destroyed or rendered moot with the ultimate assault) - Koresh had already beaten the child abuse charges, IIRC.
The FBI came in and badly, badly fumbled the siege and negotiations. This was on top of the joint failure of the agencies at Ruby Ridge - so that's what drove the "jack booted thugs" rhetoric - a whole pattern.
The NFA is a joke, as is the ATF, IMHO. There should be 1 federal law enforcement agency with 1 set of standards. Even if that is the FBI (now, essentially, a political police force), at least we don't have these conflicting priorities, methods, procedures.
The Ruby Ridge and Waco sieges could have been resolved without violence, but the federal agencies chose violence, period. That's not defending the suspects in this case, but we should demand competent, "non-fatal to innocent people" federal law enforcement, shouldn't we?
Posted on 11/7/16 at 10:39 am to sugar71
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The FBI wishes to investigate claims of child abuse
investigate =/= slaughter, what Roger said is true, Koresh was all over town, all of the time right up until the Feds showed up, I've gone down there to check out the place, stopped and eaten/had a few brews at some of his hangouts, he's still a popular man in that area, and the people that still live there don't quite view it the way it has been portrayed in the media
Posted on 11/7/16 at 11:14 am to threeputt
That was toooo Cold!
Posted on 11/7/16 at 11:16 am to sugar71
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The FBI wishes to investigate claims of child abuse by an obvious demented cult leader & they are " Jack Booted Thugs".
They were. Koresh could easily have been arrested away from the compound. The FedGov chose to do it with paramilitary force.
Posted on 11/7/16 at 11:31 am to Ace Midnight
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True, but they were specifically paranoid about the Federal government. The sheriff served a prior warrant at the compound, by himself. The feds wanted to go another way.
The worst part is that Koresh (crazy as hell, no one is disputing that) preached that the feds would come and kill them all. They proved him right in the end with all those children.
I admit the Feds snooping around played right into his prophecies / government paranoia.
There is audio of Koresh actually saying that "you people don't understand that these are MY kids"( biologically he meant).
He had fathered over a dozen kids with some underage Girls & there was 0.00000% he was going to allow anyone to see those kids or to allow them to leave despite dozens of other non related kids being set free.
Biological kids were dying with Koresh. Period.
Some ex members still say it was God's will( probably Koresh) that those kids died.
Near impossible to negotiate with that.
Posted on 11/7/16 at 11:39 am to sugar71
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Near impossible to negotiate with that.
They could have picked him up away from the compound. They chose to be confrontational
Posted on 11/7/16 at 11:57 am to Ace Midnight
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The Ruby Ridge and Waco sieges could have been resolved without violence, but the federal agencies chose violence, period. That's not defending the suspects in this case, but we should demand competent, "non-fatal to innocent people" federal law enforcement, shouldn't we?
Absolutely. I think they learned their lesson as evidenced by the Bundy Ranch standoff/ stand down.
Posted on 11/7/16 at 12:04 pm to Ace Midnight
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The Ruby Ridge and Waco sieges could have been resolved without violence, but the federal agencies chose violence, period.
The Elian Gonzales fiasco as well. Who can forget this image?
Posted on 11/7/16 at 1:29 pm to jbgleason
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I was proud of my government that day for doing the right thing.
You call sending in SWAT with automatic weapons drawn and pointed at unarmed civilians to take a little kid away from the only family he's really known 'the right thing'?
Boy, some of you are really fricked up in the head.
Posted on 11/7/16 at 1:35 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:100% spot on. It's why idgaf that she's dead.
They were. Koresh could easily have been arrested away from the compound. The FedGov chose to do it with paramilitary force.
Posted on 11/7/16 at 1:39 pm to colorchangintiger
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You call sending in SWAT with automatic weapons drawn and pointed at unarmed civilians to take a little kid away from the only family he's really known 'the right thing'?
Boy, some of you are really fricked up in the head.
Let's try that statement from a non-sensationalized standpoint.
"You call sending in SWAT since there was a thousand people in the street who had sworn to resist with force the attempt to send a child to his father when he is being held involuntarily by relatives who have no parental claim to him in a country in which he is not a citizen a good idea?"
Yes I do. Point in fact, there was some pretty significant violence outside the house when they grabbed the kid. Not shooting but objects being thrown, lots of tear gas, etc.
Posted on 11/7/16 at 2:01 pm to Cooter Davenport
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There was no need to go up to their building and pump it full of flammable gas with kids inside and then light it on fire.
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