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re: Is it insensitive to veterans to have a fireworks show not on a major holiday?

Posted on 3/28/16 at 3:27 pm to
Posted by The Last Coco
On the water
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 3/28/16 at 3:27 pm to
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Is it insensitive to veterans to have a fireworks show not on a major holiday?

No. It's legal and not something you should reasonably be responsible for notifying people about.
Posted by PapaZulu
Davidson, NC
Member since May 2014
367 posts
Posted on 3/28/16 at 3:28 pm to
Oh my bad. I didn't realize they were using the mortars that dont explode when you were there....

You do realize, that as often as they miss, sometimes they hit...

Everybody's experience is different. If it turns out he's a FOBbit, I am on board.

Only 1 IED blast? Now who's a pussy?
Posted by BoogerEater
Lake Charles, La.
Member since Feb 2008
1597 posts
Posted on 3/28/16 at 3:41 pm to
I went thru many more than that and obviously we think of PTSD in a very different manner. To each his own my point is there are too many vets out there claiming shite they don't need to be claiming.

I look at WW2 era vets as being the ones that got bombarded with artillery as the ones that are shell shocked. I don't understand why someone would have PTSD by kicking in doors. Just because you kick in doors doesn't mean you had trigger time.

I see PTSD as getting shot, having to pick your dead friends off the ground, getting blown up, watching your friends take a last breath, and death in general. Many vets I know feel the same way. Not saying no one saw some shite, but claiming PTSD because you kicked in a few doors just doesn't add up imo.

We got into many firefights, ambushes, IEDs and whatever comes with the territory of combat. So if you want to call me a pussy I'm fine with that I don't care. I don't get offended that easily.
Posted by terd ferguson
Darren Wilson Fan Club President
Member since Aug 2007
108769 posts
Posted on 3/28/16 at 3:48 pm to
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These guys need to get the help they require to get over these issues.



Don't worry... the VA is all over that.


Which is why a veteran just set himself on fire out front of one of the VA offices. The problem is that they can't get the help they need.
Posted by terd ferguson
Darren Wilson Fan Club President
Member since Aug 2007
108769 posts
Posted on 3/28/16 at 3:52 pm to
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My point is you don't get shell shocked from anything but artillery.


So, in your opinion, artillery is the only cause of PTSD?

Posted by BoogerEater
Lake Charles, La.
Member since Feb 2008
1597 posts
Posted on 3/28/16 at 3:55 pm to
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Which is why a veteran just set himself on fire out front of one of the VA offices. The problem is that they can't get the help they need.


Sad to see shite like that. I blame that on the VA for giving you 10 drugs with suicide side effects. Medical marijuana should be allowed to treat vets. I quit going to the VA. Every vet should be allowed to be managed by their doctor they went to before they joined.
Posted by PapaZulu
Davidson, NC
Member since May 2014
367 posts
Posted on 3/28/16 at 3:57 pm to
I wasn't calling you a pussy. I just don't know how to use emoticons. It would have been the one that winks.
Do some volunteer work at the VA hospital. We need good vets that are still halfway straight. Those old men have some great stories to tell and the awesome thing about it is they love our stories just as much as we love theirs.
Based on how ape $h!+ that dude went, from a few years experience working with young guys who came back, he's legit.
PTSD disability is abused, but based on knowledge, i'd say its less than 1%. People don't understand how hard it is for a POG to get a PTSD rating.
If you aren't a POG you get trigger time. (Here is where i would perhaps use the pimp emoticon.)
What unit were you with?
Posted by BoogerEater
Lake Charles, La.
Member since Feb 2008
1597 posts
Posted on 3/28/16 at 4:04 pm to
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What unit were you with?


C Co. 1/327 Infantry.
Headquarters Co. 1/327 BN

I worked at the VA while going to college. That's where I lost respect for a lot of claims vets make. Btw I respect all veterans just tired of seeing a lot of them bitch about shite. I don't feel like anyone owes me anything and to be honest I enjoyed way too much to be thanked for it.

What unit were you with?
This post was edited on 3/28/16 at 4:06 pm
Posted by OweO
Plaquemine, La
Member since Sep 2009
114003 posts
Posted on 3/28/16 at 4:17 pm to
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So the following night, some jackass kids decided to prank the veteran and fire off some fireworks right behind his house and the guy had to be taken away in an ambulance because apparently he had a panic attack. Which, of course, is awful, but no way anyone could prove it was intentional.


If I was a dumbass kid involved in doing this, I would have thought it was hilarious.
Posted by PapaZulu
Davidson, NC
Member since May 2014
367 posts
Posted on 3/28/16 at 4:34 pm to
Bulldogs.Nice!

A Co and D Co 1/30th.

I hear where you are coming from and I agree with alot of what you say.
The PTSD diagnosis was widely abused probably up to 2011. It the vetting process for non-combat arms soldiers has really improved. At least from what i have seen. I have had a pretty solid experience volunteering at the VA though.

Posted by BoogerEater
Lake Charles, La.
Member since Feb 2008
1597 posts
Posted on 3/28/16 at 4:54 pm to
Nice to know they are cleaning it up. I definitely need to go volunteer at the VA. There isn't one vet that I see that a don't thank and if they will let me talk to them I will. For me, it's a privilege to get to know their story. Some went through some rough shite and I know they don't won't to go through that again, at least mentally. I like talking about my experience because it gives insight to people that haven't been. I especially like talking to parents of veterans as a way for them to know what they have gone through. It gives them an idea of what they need to say or do to help their love ones.
Posted by LSU Tigershark
10,000 posts
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10544 posts
Posted on 3/28/16 at 4:55 pm to
I shoot fireworks professionally. All I can say is sorry, it pays the bills and is completely legal and permitted.
Posted by dcrews
Houston, TX
Member since Feb 2011
30213 posts
Posted on 3/28/16 at 5:01 pm to
I respect all of our veterans for their service.

But you can't just not have festivities like this because one person is going to take issue with it, veteran or not.

It seems there was ample advertisement for everyone to know about what was happening.

Now the kids pulling the prank, knowing he had PTSD issues is a dick move.
Posted by PapaZulu
Davidson, NC
Member since May 2014
367 posts
Posted on 3/28/16 at 5:07 pm to
I am not saying don't use fireworks. In my experience if the guy responds like that, chances are, its legit. Give him a pass. That's all i am saying.
Posted by PapaZulu
Davidson, NC
Member since May 2014
367 posts
Posted on 3/28/16 at 5:08 pm to
DP
This post was edited on 3/28/16 at 5:09 pm
Posted by Womski
Squire Creek
Member since Aug 2011
2762 posts
Posted on 3/28/16 at 5:47 pm to
What exactly is a veteran?

The Scholars at Oxford define a veteran, in the military sense, simply as a "person that has served in the military."

But I initially reject that. While the contributions of all who have heard the bugle call cannot go unnoticed, merely volunteering for military duty cannot avail you to the title of veteran, in my opinion.

In the same vein, mere service in any of the active components of our military versus duty in the National Guard or reserve forces cannot, in itself, allow someone to claim the title of veteran. For only a fool forgets the contribution the reserve component has made in the most recent conflicts.

So, if we can agree that a person must be assigned to duty in a billet outside of the traditional garrison environment, where exactly does one cross the threshold into veteran status?

The United States Army is the backbone of America's military, and the cornerstone of any modern joint operation. In fact, it can be said that the Army is 'the military' in itself, so I think their classification weighs heavily on this debate.

In the Army, veterans are commonly known as Soldiers entitled to wear the Shoulder Sleeve Insignia on their right shoulder and the Combat Service Identification Badge on their service uniform, indicating duty in a combat zone.

Does it take more? Need a Soldier fill a certain billet within this combat zone to be properly vetted as a veteran? What about the necessity to be engaged by the enemy?

What does the OT think?
Posted by BoogerEater
Lake Charles, La.
Member since Feb 2008
1597 posts
Posted on 3/28/16 at 6:39 pm to
Womski I agree that not everyone should be looked at the same, but to not call someone a veteran because they didn't see war, if I'm understanding that right, is misguided. Now in my opinion there definitely is a case to be said about a combat veteran and a non combat veteran, but being able to say that you are is all, that most, need to have pride.

Some veterans don't get the opportunity for war and I will not hold that against them. I can respect all who sign that paper fully knowing that they could make the ultimate sacrifice or be dismembered/severely injured.
This post was edited on 3/28/16 at 6:41 pm
Posted by BoogerEater
Lake Charles, La.
Member since Feb 2008
1597 posts
Posted on 3/28/16 at 6:55 pm to
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So, in your opinion, artillery is the only cause of PTSD?


Quite the opposite, I'm saying that a reaction from fireworks is the direct cause from being "shell shocked" which imo isn't the same as PTSD. Look everyone sees it differently I'm just giving my opinion on what me and other combat veterans talk about. Yes you can have PTSD from mortars, IEDs, grenades, and rounds hitting by you, but I don't see that as a reason to be shell shocked. I see the men who got bombarded with heavy artillery on a daily basis as being that.

I was in an area where we had a total of over 3k IEDs in one year. Many of them blew our vehicles in half, but none of my friends seemed to be affected by fireworks. We had a lot of snipers who shot at us that awarded the most Purple Hearts in the 101st at that time and most seem to laugh when they see people talk about fireworks that way.

Do I flinch when a loud noise goes off? Yes, but so do most people that haven't had the same experiences.

For myself I define my PTSD as I have a hard time smelling BBQ because it smells exactly like burnt flesh from a Humvee being blown up or survivors guilt or dreams about falling because I guy accidentally fell from a helicopter or any near death experience you had. I don't couple shell shocked and PTSD.

Of course that's just my take and not everyone else's.
Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
One State Solution
Member since May 2012
55770 posts
Posted on 3/28/16 at 6:55 pm to
I guess nobody is safe from the pussification of America.
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