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Posted on 1/25/23 at 3:45 pm to CobraCommander83
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Yep. Hope the State’s evidence is excellent or they are going to get their arse handed to them.
They’re going to get their arse handed to them, IMO. The best direct physical evidence they had was the “spatter” on the shirt. There was tons of confusion around this shirt and apparently it was tested so many times that it was destroyed. Dick will have a field day with that.
His alibi is incredibly problematic given that it has changed several times along the way. IIRC they have him leaving the property at 9:06 and the coroner put time of death between 8:45 and 10 or so. (Details are fuzzy) But my assumption is that the defense will just simply argue they were murdered after 9:06 when he left the property.
It’ll be interesting to see what else the state has, because if the shirt gets tossed the defense can definitely create reasonable doubt.
Posted on 1/25/23 at 3:49 pm to Not Cooper
It sounds like the evidence in this case is extremely circumstantial
If that's the case... I would have a lot of trouble convicting anyone
I will let the evidence presented & testimony in court guide my beliefs on this case
If that's the case... I would have a lot of trouble convicting anyone
I will let the evidence presented & testimony in court guide my beliefs on this case
This post was edited on 1/25/23 at 3:51 pm
Posted on 1/25/23 at 3:53 pm to rt3
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I will let the evidence presented & testimony in court guide my beliefs on this case
I prefer to be guided by hearsay and internet speculation, but to each his own.
Posted on 1/25/23 at 4:03 pm to rt3
In my opinion, I think AM is guilty. I don’t know if he was the one that killed both Paul and Maggie. I think more than one person was involved. Within the projected timeframe, I don’t think AM was capable of killing both and then getting rid of majority of the evidence from the scene. I don’t believe a random person(s) carried out the murders. That property is in the middle of no where and it is very large. A random person wouldn’t know the layout of that place.
Posted on 1/25/23 at 4:05 pm to rt3
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It sounds like the evidence in this case is extremely circumstantial
There is a ton of circumstantial evidence for sure. Some of it seems pretty damning as well. We will see.
Posted on 1/25/23 at 4:05 pm to CobraCommander83
My husband, bless him, has had a single comment.
"They should have left the portrait of the now deceased Murdaugh on the court room wall."
"They should have left the portrait of the now deceased Murdaugh on the court room wall."
Posted on 1/25/23 at 4:09 pm to CobraCommander83
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my opinion, I think AM is guilty. I don’t know if he was the one that killed both Paul and Maggie. I think more than one person was involved. Within the projected timeframe, I don’t think AM was capable of killing both and then getting rid of majority of the evidence from the scene.
Agreed. Especially since phone records show him on the phone for a large portion of his drives from and back to the crime scene. It seems more plausible that someone was with AM, and while he drove off to establish his alibi the other went dispose of cell phones and guns. Though they didnt do a very good job with the phones.
Posted on 1/25/23 at 4:13 pm to Not Cooper
Posted on 1/25/23 at 4:17 pm to real turf fan
Posted on 1/25/23 at 4:25 pm to cajunangelle
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the two different guns is odd.
It is pretty odd, but most shotguns have a 3 shot plug for hunting. I cant remember, but I think there were 3 shells found by the boys body.
It would make more sense to just reload, but just switching guns isnt very hard either. Unless, the kid had the shotgun and the dad convinced him to give it up, then shot him.
Just swinging for the fences.
Posted on 1/25/23 at 6:25 pm to Not Cooper
Way too much smoke on him to not think he was part of the murders directly.
Deaths. Smith boy and housekeeper who really raised the kids. The way they were able to cover for the son with the boad accident that killed The Beach girl.
Financials. Stealing the inheritance from the housekeepers kids and my others thru his law firm. Shocking that he was running out of finds.
That family had run the county for generations and the walls were finally closing in and Alex didn't know how to handle it and panicked.
By all accounts his son and wife, both separately, had real concerns about even going that night. That being said the prosecutor better bring it because DH is the real deal. The prosecutor is doing his 1st murder and DH has done over 100 total from both sides.
Deaths. Smith boy and housekeeper who really raised the kids. The way they were able to cover for the son with the boad accident that killed The Beach girl.
Financials. Stealing the inheritance from the housekeepers kids and my others thru his law firm. Shocking that he was running out of finds.
That family had run the county for generations and the walls were finally closing in and Alex didn't know how to handle it and panicked.
By all accounts his son and wife, both separately, had real concerns about even going that night. That being said the prosecutor better bring it because DH is the real deal. The prosecutor is doing his 1st murder and DH has done over 100 total from both sides.
Posted on 1/25/23 at 7:20 pm to rt3
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It sounds like the evidence in this case is extremely circumstantial If that's the case... I would have a lot of trouble convicting anyone
Well then you would be an idiot. Circumstantial evidence can be as strong or stronger than direct evidence. You don’t know what the hell you’re talking about.
ETA: to clarify - there are generally standards for weighing circumstantial evidence but that doesn’t mean it’s worthless to convict on.
This post was edited on 1/26/23 at 10:12 am
Posted on 1/25/23 at 7:25 pm to Not Cooper
Lot of people here spouting off like they know shite but don’t.
If convictions required direct physical evidence then they would be rare, impossible in many cases. There’s nothing wrong with circumstantial evidence on its face, subject to the same evidentiary standards.
If convictions required direct physical evidence then they would be rare, impossible in many cases. There’s nothing wrong with circumstantial evidence on its face, subject to the same evidentiary standards.
Posted on 1/26/23 at 7:30 am to BHTiger
From FitsNews:
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Accused killer Alex Murdaugh made multiple wardrobe changes on the evening of June 7, 2021 – the night prosecutors say he savagely murdered his wife and younger son on his family’s Lowcountry, South Carolina hunting property.
Why does this matter? Because the clothes he removed in at least one of these wardrobe changes have reportedly vanished without a trace, sources say …
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News of at least one of Murdaugh’s wardrobe changes on the night of the murders was reported Wednesday afternoon by Columbia, S.C. criminal defense attorney Lori Murray – whose TikTok page has been a big hit among those tracking the ‘Murdaugh Murders‘ crime and corruption saga.
Murray specifically discussed clothes Murdaugh was wearing in a Snapchat video sent from Paul Murdaugh at 7:56 p.m. EDT on the night of the murders.
“I think I finally know what was on the Snapchat video Paul (Murdaugh) sent to his friends at 7:56 p.m. on the night he was killed,” Murray said in her clip. “Alex Murdaugh can be seen on that video wearing long pants and a dress shirt – not the clothes he was seen wearing when police arrived after he called 9-1-1.”
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Multiple law enforcement and prosecutorial sources familiar with the status of the Murdaugh investigation – which remains ongoing – confirmed Murray’s account.
“He changed clothes a lot that day,” one source familiar with the status of the case told me.
Are all of these clothes accounted for? Not according to my sources …
Will Murdaugh’s wardrobe changes on the night of the murders become part of the prosecution’s case against him?
That remains unclear …
Lead prosecutor Creighton Waters did not reference them during his opening arguments on Wednesday afternoon – in which he laid out several new details of the case agains Murdaugh.
Curiously, the 7:56 p.m. EDT Snapchat video was referenced by lead defense attorney Dick Harpootlian in his opening statement – as purported evidence of the closeness between Alex Murdaugh and his son, whom he referred to as “the apple of his (father’s) eye.”
Harpootlian also seemed to invite scrutiny of the wardrobe changes during his opening argument when he asked jurors about the lack of physical evidence in the case.
“Where are the bloody clothes?” Harpootlian asked jurors.
That’s a very good question … but the fact we are having to ask it at all could wind up backfiring on Murdaugh’s attorneys in a big way if the clothes Murdaugh was wearing on the night of the murders have truly vanished.
Posted on 1/26/23 at 7:31 am to Havoc
Trial resumes at 9:30 EST this morning. The State will be presenting witnesses and evidence this morning.
Posted on 1/26/23 at 7:38 am to ILurkThereforeIAm
So he took the Ray Lewis approach and destroyed the clothes/evidence.
Posted on 1/26/23 at 7:47 am to kengel2
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So he took the Ray Lewis approach and destroyed the clothes/evidence.
That's what it sounds like. If they have proof that he changed clothes, that explains why he wasn't covered in blood.
Posted on 1/26/23 at 8:23 am to ILurkThereforeIAm
What I find odd is that the defense made the statement yesterday saying that LE and State determined that Alex was guilty the night it happened. IIRC, the State never really pursued to find anyone else. I might be wrong but I never heard anything from Alex or his lawyers about seeking out or fighting to “find” the person or persons that murdered Maggie and Paul. It seems Alex accepted it and moved on. Kinda odd there was no major pushback from Alex and company.
Posted on 1/26/23 at 8:56 am to CobraCommander83
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might be wrong but I never heard anything from Alex or his lawyers about seeking out or fighting to “find” the person or persons that murdered
It reminded me of OJ hunting for Nicole's killer on golf courses.
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