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re: if women can abort their children, why can't men opt out of parenthood?
Posted on 11/21/16 at 7:10 am to CorkSoaker
Posted on 11/21/16 at 7:10 am to CorkSoaker
quote:Chalk another up for anti-abortion
If you get someone pregnant, how about man up and be a dad? It's the greatest thing that could ever happen to someone if they let it be.
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Posted on 11/21/16 at 7:21 am to GurleyGirl
I read a lot of "be a man and nut up" threads in here which completely ignored the OP's valid question. I'm sure many men agree that if you're man enough to have sex you need to be man enough to handle the outcome. However many of us also see how the woman has more control of the consequences of the outcome. All that bullshite about "a man chooses to cum inside a woman" is just that, bullshite. The woman knows if the man is wearing a condom. If she doesn't know that's her fault. If she doesn't want a kid she should make the man wear one. I promise you a man will not turn down sex because he has to wear a condom. Even without a condom the woman is still choosing to have sex and is aware of possible outcomes. I agree a man should be father no matter what just the same as I agree abortions should be illegal with few exceptions. But to sit here and say "a man just has to deal with it" is complete ignorance (from a legal viewpoint)
This post was edited on 11/21/16 at 7:23 am
Posted on 11/21/16 at 7:22 am to REG861
Strictly from a legal standpoint, Roe v Wade is horrendous. It's nonsensical. Even if we like the end result.
Posted on 11/21/16 at 7:24 am to GAFF
A woman and man are different. Their bodies are different. Not every little thing can be the exact same given this situation. It is what it is.
Posted on 11/21/16 at 7:24 am to Fun Bunch
Can you explain? All I know about it is that it made abortion legal in the United States.
Posted on 11/21/16 at 7:29 am to GreatLakesTiger24
Original.
Posted on 11/21/16 at 7:31 am to Roaad
quote:
Chalk another up for anti-abortion
Is this some sort of 'gotcha'? There are plenty of people who are against abortion.
Posted on 11/21/16 at 7:31 am to Pectus
I, for one, can't wait to pay even more in taxes to support these women and children while their dad's get to keep all their money to put into a river boat and a yeti cooler.
Posted on 11/21/16 at 7:36 am to CorporateTiger
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I, for one, can't wait to pay even more in taxes to support these women and children while their dad's get to keep all their money to put into a river boat and a yeti cooler.
If that's the part you are against, why not bitch about the system rather than bitch to abort babies.
Posted on 11/21/16 at 7:37 am to GAFF
quote:
However many of us also see how the woman has more control of the consequences of the outcome. All that bullshite about "a man chooses to cum inside a woman" is just that, bullshite.
, every sexually active male on this board should at least be able to admit that a male has a much larger role in whether or not protective methods are used or not. You're the one who actually puts on a condom. You're the one who knows when you're about to cum. If you're also the one who's looking for a chance to opt out of parenthood, perhaps you shouldn't be so cavalier about those first two choices. 
Posted on 11/21/16 at 7:39 am to CorporateTiger
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I, for one, can't wait to pay even more in taxes to support these women and children while their dad's get to keep all their money to put into a river boat and a yeti cooler.
Hey man, we're just arguing to give trapped men a choice. They've been preyed upon by these women who forced them to impregnate them and they've got no way out of a situation that they couldn't control.
Equality!!
This post was edited on 11/21/16 at 7:48 am
Posted on 11/21/16 at 7:41 am to slackster
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You're the one who actually puts on a condom. You're the one who knows when you're about to cum.
Can the female not watch to make sure I put the condom on? How does me knowing when I'm about to cum change things? The woman shouldn't be putting total trust in the male if she doesn't want to get pregnant. Why I said she should make sure protection is used.
This post was edited on 11/21/16 at 7:43 am
Posted on 11/21/16 at 7:47 am to GAFF
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Can the female not watch to make sure I put the condom on? How does me knowing when I'm about to cum change things? The woman shouldn't be putting total trust in the male if she doesn't want to get pregnant. Why I said she should make sure protection is used.
What if she is indifferent to pregnancy? What if she wants to actually get pregnant? The OP is arguing that as long as women can abort children, men should be able to opt out of parenthood. We're not isolating this to cases where both parties want to avoid a pregnancy. We're focusing on what say so the man has in the entire situation, and I'm arguing he has plenty.
Posted on 11/21/16 at 7:50 am to CorkSoaker
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If that's the part you are against, why not bitch about the system rather than bitch to abort babies.
Who says I'm not against the welfare system?
Second, I'm not arguing women should abort babies. I'm arguing that the people who should support this kid are the ones who brought it into this world. The notion that a man should be free to walk away at will and foist his kid's costs on society at large is ridiculous.
Posted on 11/21/16 at 8:12 am to slackster
quote:Yes.
The OP is arguing that as long as women can abort children, men should be able to opt out of parenthood.
If the baby is 50% the responsibility of both parties, why should the man not be given abortion rights? Location of the fetus?
If so, then why should men not be granted some sort of equitable solution to a woman's abortion choice.
A woman can opt out of motherhood, even if she willingly opened her egg to fertilization. Why can't the man do the same?
Morality, which it seems ONLY applies to men?
Posted on 11/21/16 at 8:17 am to slackster
quote:Both have EQUAL say in prevention.
We're focusing on what say so the man has in the entire situation, and I'm arguing he has plenty.
You make it seem like every sexual encounter is rape, and he is forcing her to do things she is unwilling to do.
Can he abstain? Yes.
Can she abstain? Yes.
Can he strap? Yes.
Can she make him strap? Yes.
Can she take BC? Yes.
The choice that gets them to the pregnancy is equitable. Neither party has a greater or lesser responsibility.
Posted on 11/21/16 at 8:18 am to slackster
quote:you're worse than lnchbox
Hey man, we're just arguing to give trapped men a choice. They've been preyed upon by these women who forced them to impregnate them and they've got no way out of a situation that they couldn't control.
Posted on 11/21/16 at 8:19 am to Roaad
quote:
If the baby is 50% the responsibility of both parties, why should the man not be given abortion rights? Location of the fetus?
If so, then why should men not be granted some sort of equitable solution to a woman's abortion choice.
A woman can opt out of motherhood, even if she willingly opened her egg to fertilization. Why can't the man do the same?
Morality, which it seems ONLY applies to men?
As much as I despise abortion, lets not kid ourselves suggesting opting out of the financial obligation of raising a child = abortion. A stroke of the pen for a male is vastly different than carrying a child to term or dealing with the emotional challenges and scars of an abortion.
It is a shitty situation, but allowing a "man" to opt out is far from an equitable solution.
Posted on 11/21/16 at 8:20 am to Roaad
quote:
Both have EQUAL say in prevention.
And we're discussing their "solution" once a male has ignored his preventative options. Should women do a better job at preventing an unwanted pregnancy rather than falling back on an abortion? Sure, but that doesn't address the OP.
Posted on 11/21/16 at 8:20 am to Asharad
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That's the point of this thread, shite dads.
I don't think that's the point at all. I think the point is to point out the hypocrisy in the system. Men have no choice if a woman wants to kill their baby. It's a "i do what i want with my body". On the same hand, if the woman keeps the baby, the man must pay for it. So the "i do what i want with my body" turns into "you pay for me to do what i want with my body".
FWIW, i am against abortion and against deadbeat dads. I am a very proud father and wouldn't trade being a dad for anything in the world. Just pointing out the hypocrisy.
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