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If i don’t get vaccinated , I’m 100% protected from the vaccine side effects

Posted on 12/4/21 at 3:09 pm
Posted by DingleBarry
Member since Aug 2021
317 posts
Posted on 12/4/21 at 3:09 pm
And 99.8% protected against Covid-19.

Those sound like pretty decent chances.
This post was edited on 12/4/21 at 6:15 pm
Posted by Kcrad
Diamondhead
Member since Nov 2010
55012 posts
Posted on 12/4/21 at 3:10 pm to
You're golden.

Posted by 0x15E
Outer Space
Member since Sep 2020
12785 posts
Posted on 12/4/21 at 3:18 pm to
If my grandmother had wheels…

She’d be a bicycle
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
25789 posts
Posted on 12/4/21 at 3:20 pm to
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I’m 100% protected from the vaccine side effects…


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And 99.8% protected against Covid-19.


There is a fatal flaw in your use of statistical data.
Posted by TDcline
American Gardens building 11th flor
Member since Aug 2015
9281 posts
Posted on 12/4/21 at 3:21 pm to
The restaurants that ask me to wait outside never know how to answer when I say “oh, you mean wait outside like a dog?”

They always have some stupid expression of confusion on their face.
Posted by Slingin Pickle
Fancy side of the North Shore
Member since Jun 2008
3013 posts
Posted on 12/4/21 at 3:22 pm to
Yeah but you just kilt maw maw
Posted by Kcrad
Diamondhead
Member since Nov 2010
55012 posts
Posted on 12/4/21 at 3:25 pm to
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There is a fatal flaw in your use of statistical data.
quote:

Obtuse1
Checks out
Posted by Tiger985
Member since Nov 2006
6469 posts
Posted on 12/4/21 at 3:35 pm to
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There is a fatal flaw in your use of statistical data.


His statement about avoiding potential vaccine adverse events is objectively true. It's a fact.

He is also accurate when he explains his risk of death from Covid. If he is young and in good health he would actually be overstating his risk by a significant margin.

Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
36311 posts
Posted on 12/4/21 at 3:40 pm to
Is there some risk of the vaccine that isn't a risk of the virus itself?
Posted by A Menace to Sobriety
Member since Jun 2018
29158 posts
Posted on 12/4/21 at 3:41 pm to
Hence why I am unvaccinated and always will be. It is my choice and no one elses. I am young and in shape so why do I even need it?

Anyone who disagrees or hates my rational decision can kiss the fattest mother fricking part of my arse.
This post was edited on 12/4/21 at 3:42 pm
Posted by TexasTiger1185
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2011
13070 posts
Posted on 12/4/21 at 3:42 pm to
Where are restaurants asking you to wait outside?
Posted by Tiger985
Member since Nov 2006
6469 posts
Posted on 12/4/21 at 3:52 pm to
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Is there some risk of the vaccine that isn't a risk of the virus itself?


Terrible question.

There is risk associated with the vaccine. This is true of everything in medicine.

However minimal, there is risk. More for some,less for others.

The decision to take jab should be based on this analysis:

What is the benefit gained by taking on the risk of vaccination?

Every person on Earth has a different risk profile. Every single one.

Why would a young healthy person accept any risk at all when there is almost no benefit to them from these leaky vaccines.

If you are old or fat or old and fat, you should give very serious consideration to taking the vaccine. Your vax risk likely buys you a significant benefit.

No one should be forced and to require it of kids is criminal.

Posted by TDcline
American Gardens building 11th flor
Member since Aug 2015
9281 posts
Posted on 12/4/21 at 3:58 pm to
NOLA
Posted by Macintosh504
Leveraging Salaries University
Member since Sep 2011
52659 posts
Posted on 12/4/21 at 3:58 pm to
As long as you’re not a fat slob or old as shite, you’re good
This post was edited on 12/4/21 at 3:59 pm
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
98273 posts
Posted on 12/4/21 at 3:59 pm to
You do you big dawg
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
36311 posts
Posted on 12/4/21 at 4:16 pm to
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What is the benefit gained by taking on the risk of vaccination?


So you suggest that my question is terrible, and then ask this, proving you don't understand anything about infectious disease. From your answer, it suggests there isn't a risk associated with the vaccine that isn't also a possible sequelae of the virus itself. If there was a risk that was specific to the vaccine, outside of vaccine-associated injury, that would change the metric. Clinically, we do see the vaccines providing protection from serious disease, but respiratory illnesses will have breakthrough infections because it is difficult to control transmission rates.

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If you are old or fat or old and fat, you should give very serious consideration to taking the vaccine. Your vax risk likely buys you a significant benefit.



So 75% of American adults possibly fall into this demographic, if we are talking about people who are overweight but not obese.
This post was edited on 12/4/21 at 4:17 pm
Posted by FtheNWO
Member since Nov 2021
223 posts
Posted on 12/4/21 at 4:25 pm to
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Is there some risk of the vaccine that isn't a risk of the virus itself?


One hypothesis is that fragile endothelial cells are not vulnerable to viral infection because they do not express ACE2. This study concludes:

"Very low or no basal ACE2 expression was found in ECs (endothelial cells) compared with epithelial cells"
LINK

But those same fragile endothelium cells are vulnerable to entry via liposome-based mRNA (ie Pfizer or Moderna) or adenovirus entry like J&J.

If the vaccines were confined to the injection site like they should be this would be of no concern.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
36311 posts
Posted on 12/4/21 at 4:31 pm to
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One hypothesis is that fragile endothelial cells are not vulnerable to viral infection because they do not express ACE2. This study concludes:

"Very low or no basal ACE2 expression was found in ECs (endothelial cells) compared with epithelial cells"
LINK

But those same fragile endothelium cells are vulnerable to entry via liposome-based mRNA (ie Pfizer or Moderna) or adenovirus entry like J&J.

If the vaccines were confined to the injection site like they should be this would be of no concern.


Are you saying that COVID doesn't cause coagulopathies? While endothelial injury is a necessary condition of hypercoagulable states, you also need other factors, and lots of things cause prior endothelial injury.
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
25789 posts
Posted on 12/4/21 at 4:32 pm to
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His statement about avoiding potential vaccine adverse events is objectively true. It's a fact.


100% true.

quote:

He is also accurate when he explains his risk of death from Covid. If he is young and in good health he would actually be overstating his risk by a significant margin.


But here is the deception. He talked about the vaccine in terms of side effects but he used (more or less) the statistic for death for the virus and avoided labeling it correctly. This is a far sight from 99.8% protection from the virus and not remotely apples to apples.

People upvoting are either not sharp enough to catch the sleight of hand or they don't care about accuracy as long as it supports their feels.

Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28710 posts
Posted on 12/4/21 at 4:33 pm to
quote:

His statement about avoiding potential vaccine adverse events is objectively true. It's a fact.

He is also accurate when he explains his risk of death from Covid.
You don't think it's just a bit dishonest to compare the risk of side effects of the vaccine to the risk of death from covid? Or are you just as dishonest?
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