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re: Hundreds of masked men rampage streets, beating refugee kids in revenge attack
Posted on 1/30/16 at 11:50 am to Stagg8
Posted on 1/30/16 at 11:50 am to Stagg8
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And a citizen was convicted for the crime proven to be committed by a refugee?
No, it was reported the people who did it were Swedes. Turns out they weren't. Just like you asked, Swedes were blamed for an incident that was carried out by immigrants. But now you're asking about convictions. Get your shite straight.
Posted on 1/30/16 at 11:51 am to SlowFlowPro
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racism has been so over-used, stretched, redefined, etc that it has almost no meaning anymore. hell it also may not even apply
What? This makes literally zero sense. You're saying the word is played out?
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that's a straw man
The rest of my post was not. You made no references to actual government legislation that was unique to the refugees.
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Did you miss the Cologne situation?
No. Nor do the words of one dumbass in Germany bolster your assertion that citizens are being blamed for crimes committed by refugees (speaking of straw men).
Posted on 1/30/16 at 11:52 am to Kujo
It's about time they start fighting.
Posted on 1/30/16 at 11:54 am to Stagg8
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You're saying the word is played out?
beyond played out
i mean i'll give you a great example somewhat along the lines of this discussion. on the Bill Maher show, did Ben Afleck say that being critical of Islam was racist? yes he did
does racism have anything to do with discussing Islam? no
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Nor do the words of one dumbass in Germany bolster your assertion that citizens are being blamed for crimes committed by refugees (speaking of straw men).
she literally said that German women should act differently to avoid being fricking raped. how is that NOT victim blaming?
*ETA: this was not just some random German. it was the mayor of a city who just faced a mass sexual assault and rape
This post was edited on 1/30/16 at 11:54 am
Posted on 1/30/16 at 11:55 am to upgrayedd
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But now you're asking about convictions. Get your shite straight.
If you don't understand the escalation from "blame" to my usage of "conviction" to press the conversation to whether the government is actually complicit in a large-scale program to provide systemic advantage for refugees (which is basically the reading-between-the-lines version of SFP's dialog), then I can't help you.
Posted on 1/30/16 at 11:57 am to Stagg8
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to whether the government is actually complicit in a large-scale program to provide systemic advantage for refugees (which is basically the reading-between-the-lines version of SFP's dialog
there is no reading between the liness necessary
i am fully stating this is the goal of progressive beliefs and governments. they want to tear down the West and its dominant position and to do that they have to give specific legal advantages to other cultures (because these cultures can't compete on their own...because they are inferior)
this isn't even a hidden or secret agenda
Posted on 1/30/16 at 12:00 pm to SlowFlowPro
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does racism have anything to do with discussing Islam? no
Agreed. Why are you using Ben Affleck in an argument with me? Do you really think I'm so dense as to not know that religious persecution is not textbook racism?
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she literally said that German women should act differently to avoid being fricking raped. how is that NOT victim blaming?
*ETA: this was not just some random German. it was the mayor of a city who just faced a mass sexual assault and rape
And she's been publicly shamed (rightfully so) by everyone with a heartbeat (sick Don Johnson ref) and an IQ in the double digits.
Posted on 1/30/16 at 12:02 pm to SlowFlowPro
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there is no reading between the liness necessary
i am fully stating this is the goal of progressive beliefs and governments. they want to tear down the West and its dominant position and to do that they have to give specific legal advantages to other cultures (because these cultures can't compete on their own...because they are inferior)
this isn't even a hidden or secret agenda
Holy shite, man. Agree to disagree.
Posted on 1/30/16 at 12:05 pm to Stagg8
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If you don't understand the escalation from "blame" to my usage of "conviction" to press the conversation to whether the government is actually complicit in a large-scale program to provide systemic advantage for refugees (which is basically the reading-between-the-lines version of SFP's dialog), then I can't help you.
I understand the situation perfectly.
You asked a question, I gave you an answer you didn't want, you asked different question then acted as if they were the same. Sorry, if you can't see that, then I can't help you.
But, by all means, don't let me get in the way of your dishonest argument.
Proceed
Posted on 1/30/16 at 12:06 pm to Stagg8
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Why are you using Ben Affleck in an argument with me?
as i said. it was a somewhat tangentially related example (due to the muslim issue) of how the term racism has no meaning anymore
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And she's been publicly shamed (rightfully so) by everyone with a heartbeat
except most major feminist outlets/groups, who either said nothing or said this wasn't their fight (b/c the perps were marginalized)
what major liberal media outlets shamed her? when i googled it, it was all sites like Beibart. i missed the NYT or guardian's stories
Posted on 1/30/16 at 12:09 pm to Stagg8
This dude in Germany sounded exactly like what is probably going on Sweden now. He thinks it is some intel op, though.
LINK
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Do you remember the last time you saw a man with wild eyes, strange clothes and a giant sign around his neck saying “The End Is Nigh”? “How ridiculous and pathetic!” you might have thought. Now, imagine the reality of your country changing within weeks to a point where you come to the same conclusion as him, suddenly feeling that his approach might be ever so reasonable. When a large part of your fellow-humans catch a strange sort of illness, one which leads to complete insanity faster than in the worst zombie outbreak, you might find yourself out of more viable strategies.
This exactly is happening to me, as well as most people I know, right now, right here in our export-champion, model-democracy Germany. Sane people are finding themselves isolated and helpless amid insane politicians, an antagonistic press, paralyzed communities and a large inert populace unable to even fathom what’s happening. I am of course talking about the so-called “refugee crisis,” but because even this name is working against us, I will call it what it really is—a war against Europe by means of invasion. It is now vitally important to call things by their right name, because this distinguishes friend from foe.
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Everyone who takes a stand in Germany now, opposing any refugee-related policy by the government, is subjected to insults is labelled as a right-wing extremist, a hateful criminal and a danger to society. Some get singled out and persecuted in public using extensive defamation campaigns. The author Akif Pirinçci became the latest victim after giving a speech at the PEGIDA demo, the accusation against him based on a shameless misrepresentation of the facts.
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For foreign observers, this may sound far fetched and exaggerated. But consider this: in some areas of Germany, when you call the police now, no one will answer the phone. When they do, they are unable to do anything. A friend of mine called the police hotline (not the regular local emergency number) and was advised to form some sort of militia to solve the problem. A town of 600 has a dozen policemen at most, but often around a thousand “refugees” to handle. No one will come to their help if these “refugees” decide to take what they seem to believe is theirs already—because someone told them so, I guess. We are adrift in a sea of enemies, and the front-line in this war will run along the welcome mats at our front doors.
I find myself in a nightmare unable to wake up. Most people feel helpless and unwilling to accept the sad truth: we have been betrayed by everyone (except perhaps the police and the military) we entrusted with our safety and our hopes for the future. Even though the end of the global economy in its current form seemed a given to me, this kind of treason and ill intent to bring it all down took me by surprise. Among the twenty or so people I talked to about this in confidence, absolutely everyone is convinced that this is heading toward civil war—and fast! The only question remaining is whether the Germans start it, or the “refugees,” or some other party. We are one mayor terror attack away from sheer chaos. I have heard from several people connected to European security circles that the illegal weapons market is completely sold out, with many dealers holding on to their weapons for their own personal use. This is a rumour, but since we have been forced to depend on hearsay for any real information right now, I tend to believe it.
LINK
Posted on 1/30/16 at 12:09 pm to SlowFlowPro
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(because these cultures can't compete on their own...because they are inferior)
That sound you just heard was millions of progressives suddenly being triggered.
Posted on 1/30/16 at 12:10 pm to SlowFlowPro
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except most major feminist outlets/groups, who either said nothing or said this wasn't their fight (b/c the perps were marginalized)
"Most feminist outlets/groups" agreed that it was the women's' fault for being raped? Huh?
And no... not gonna reply to your assertion that the Affleck comment was debatably pertinent. No Affleck comment is ever pertinent.
Posted on 1/30/16 at 12:11 pm to TJRibMe
If you're going to quote Heartbreak Ridge do it right.
Swede Johanson wouldn't like you calling him sweet.
Swede Johanson wouldn't like you calling him sweet.
Posted on 1/30/16 at 12:11 pm to PsychTiger
The myth of equal man and equal culture is the most perverse thing from progressivism.
Posted on 1/30/16 at 12:11 pm to Stagg8
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Holy shite, man. Agree to disagree.
that is literally the goal and it's stated as much by progressives. i'm not creating some boogeyman
progressives see traditional western culture as a means for white, male dominance and blame this culture for the inferiority of non-western cultures. that is why diversity and multiculturalism has been such a bedrock of progressives since the 70s (like in Sweden, to relate this thread back)
when multiculturalism is attempted, those of western values still succeed at a higher rate. so progressive governments enact programs to help marginalized groups (often by redistribution from the more successful groups of western culture)
Posted on 1/30/16 at 12:14 pm to Stagg8
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"Most feminist outlets/groups" agreed that it was the women's' fault for being raped? Huh?
they were mostly silent on the entire episode because it conflicted with their marginalized groups, so to avoid having a legit examination of their core belief systems, they just shut up. this was typical of the left/progressives generally
Posted on 1/30/16 at 12:15 pm to upgrayedd
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You asked a question, I gave you an answer you didn't want, you asked different question then acted as if they were the same. Sorry, if you can't see that, then I can't help you.
But, by all means, don't let me get in the way of your dishonest argument.
I asked for a specific example of a citizen being blamed for a refugee's crime because that was tucked into his conversation of things being done on a mass/governmental level. Hence the word "convicted" when I followed up because I wanted to specify that this was being done by the judicial system.
Posted on 1/30/16 at 12:16 pm to SlowFlowPro
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they were mostly silent on the entire episode because it conflicted with their marginalized groups, so to avoid having a legit examination of their core belief systems, they just shut up. this was typical of the left/progressives generally
Identity politics will inevitably lead to cognitive dissonance. Who has the gold standard of victimhood? They're going to eat each other alive, eventually.
Posted on 1/30/16 at 12:16 pm to SlowFlowPro
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they were mostly silent on the entire episode
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