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History as a school subject
Posted on 8/18/17 at 11:25 am
Posted on 8/18/17 at 11:25 am
Have recent events been a death sentence to the importance of History as a school subject? I was always under the impression that part of the reason to study History was to learn from the errors made in the past.
Trying to eradicate historic figures from sight seems like an arse-backward way of ignoring the errors of their way and thus, ignoring the opportunity to learn from the past. This is not just limited to whether certain statues elicit references to points in time that, in retrospect, are completely against our modern beliefs. The argument can also be made that certain wars, battles or political actions are historically ignored and not taught in classrooms when the same cast the US in less than a favorable light.
Right or wrong . . . History is a record of what happened. Allowing the record to be edited years or decades later just seems to devalue the importance as a subject taught in school. To that end, should it be shelved as a required subject and just offered as an elective?
Trying to eradicate historic figures from sight seems like an arse-backward way of ignoring the errors of their way and thus, ignoring the opportunity to learn from the past. This is not just limited to whether certain statues elicit references to points in time that, in retrospect, are completely against our modern beliefs. The argument can also be made that certain wars, battles or political actions are historically ignored and not taught in classrooms when the same cast the US in less than a favorable light.
Right or wrong . . . History is a record of what happened. Allowing the record to be edited years or decades later just seems to devalue the importance as a subject taught in school. To that end, should it be shelved as a required subject and just offered as an elective?
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Posted on 8/18/17 at 11:27 am to DivotBreath
It needs to be a focus so dumbasses that think Joan of Arc was a white supremacist can be hit with some knowledge.
ETA: to put this into context, her statue in NOLA was spray painted with "tear it down"
ETA: to put this into context, her statue in NOLA was spray painted with "tear it down"
This post was edited on 8/18/17 at 11:50 am
Posted on 8/18/17 at 11:32 am to DivotBreath
Hitler and Stalin edited history, it seems we are headed down that path but it is the "anti fascist" that is rewriting history.
Posted on 8/18/17 at 11:34 am to DivotBreath
I think people are right when they say that history won't be "erased". It will, however, eventually be politicized to ensure that the figures targeted by the progressives will be portrayed in a negative light. In the future, the focus will likely be on the contributions of those non-white historical figures while also focusing on all the negative attributes of white Americans.
Posted on 8/18/17 at 11:35 am to WHS
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Hitler and Stalin edited history, it seems we are headed down that path but it is the "anti fascist" that is rewriting history.
I'm not saying you're wrong, but as soon as we go to Hitler, people begin to dismiss the argument no matter how valid it may be.
Posted on 8/18/17 at 11:42 am to DivotBreath
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To that end, should it be shelved as a required subject and just offered as an elective?
NO. The defocus of history and civics in school is part of the reason we are in this mess in the first place. People don't know where they came from or what it means to be American. They don't believe in American exceptionalism because they don't know the evils of other countries and political systems, namely communism.
Posted on 8/18/17 at 11:45 am to Brosef Stalin
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NO. The defocus of history and civics in school is part of the reason we are in this mess in the first place. People don't know where they came from or what it means to be American.
Totally agree with you
Posted on 8/18/17 at 11:47 am to upgrayedd
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I think people are right when they say that history won't be "erased". It will, however, eventually be politicized
It's always been politicized, that isn't new.
Posted on 8/18/17 at 11:48 am to DivotBreath
History is supposed to be viewed with a context of the time and not through our modern view of morality.. would the civil war have been fought without slavery being the driving issue.. doubtful, but the totality of issues were more complex.. Ultimately, you had two competing cultures with one wanting to forcefully strip away part of the foundation that led to its success.
One thing is for certain, modern history being taught is failing to drive home the importance that citizens felt towards their state.. the vast majority of people only knew the immediate 20 miles around where they were born.. that loyalty is a stark contrast of today's America.
One thing is for certain, modern history being taught is failing to drive home the importance that citizens felt towards their state.. the vast majority of people only knew the immediate 20 miles around where they were born.. that loyalty is a stark contrast of today's America.
This post was edited on 8/18/17 at 11:53 am
Posted on 8/18/17 at 11:49 am to DivotBreath
Turns out more than History is written by the Victors:
Posted on 8/18/17 at 11:51 am to DivotBreath
Take this to the Board.... of education.
Posted on 8/18/17 at 11:52 am to DivotBreath
The point of studying history is to realize that human nature has not changed, and that we are prone to committing the same atrocities now as people 2,000 years ago did. People who we arrogantly label as backwards, barbaric, and unenlightened.
Posted on 8/18/17 at 11:52 am to DavidTheGnome
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It's always been politicized, that isn't new.
Not saying it hasn't, but I've never been in an LA or US history class where I've been taught that we're some perfect country. Of course, younger kids learn about US history in a certain manner to instill some national pride. It's just disturbing to think that these people want to start teaching 2nd graders that their country has always been a murderous oppressive regime.
Posted on 8/18/17 at 11:58 am to DivotBreath
History has always been political.
Winners write history.
Texas high school texts just dropped jefferson out pantheon of greats and moved reagan into the highest circle.
Winners write history.
Texas high school texts just dropped jefferson out pantheon of greats and moved reagan into the highest circle.
Posted on 8/18/17 at 12:04 pm to UGATiger26
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The point of studying history is to realize that human nature has not changed, and that we are prone to committing the same atrocities now as people 2,000 years ago did.
This quick clip of Jordan Peterson is pretty spot on. The context of the conversation is that he's being forced to use all types of stupid gender pronouns and he says he's refusing to. Not really part of the history point, but just so you're not lost.
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Posted on 8/18/17 at 12:08 pm to DivotBreath
Yes.
You're better off searching the net than you are getting your history at a State School.
You're better off searching the net than you are getting your history at a State School.
Posted on 8/18/17 at 12:08 pm to upgrayedd
Hey now, if we spend more time teaching kids history, when are we going to teach them about pansexuality?
Posted on 8/18/17 at 12:08 pm to DivotBreath
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Have recent events been a death sentence to the importance of History as a school subject? I was always under the impression that part of the reason to study History was to learn from the errors made in the past.
People should know and understand history - all parts of it.
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Trying to eradicate historic figures from sight seems like an arse-backward way of ignoring the errors of their way and thus, ignoring the opportunity to learn from the past
A statue of a confederate leader isn't put up to learn from the errors of their ways, it is put up to honor their ways. There is a major difference between a Robert E. Lee statue and scrubbing Robert E. Lee from the history books. You can argue the slipper slope will lead to that, but I don't buy it.
Posted on 8/18/17 at 12:11 pm to upgrayedd
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Not saying it hasn't, but I've never been in an LA or US history class where I've been taught that we're some perfect country. Of course, younger kids learn about US history in a certain manner to instill some national pride. It's just disturbing to think that these people want to start teaching 2nd graders that their country has always been a murderous oppressive regime.
I'm confused. I thought we were worried they were scrubbing the history books prior to 1965, but you're saying they're being too real?
Posted on 8/18/17 at 12:15 pm to DivotBreath
do you actually think what you and I learned in school is accurate history?...not sure how old you are but even my generation (Xennial - born 1981) was taught revisionist history...I have several textbooks at home from the 1950's...and older...I often have my teenage boys read those when they are studying something from American history in particular...to get another perspective from their teacher generated chrome book slideshow presentation....good parents don't rely solely on the school systems to educate their kids.
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