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Posted on 8/28/15 at 7:29 am to H.M. Murdock
You are very observant. Yes, I am in fact a guy. Congratulations.
Posted on 8/28/15 at 7:33 am to USAF Hart
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You are very observant. Yes, I am in fact a guy. Congratulations.
Thanks, I am amused at your naivety and lack of brain function.
Posted on 8/28/15 at 7:36 am to H.M. Murdock
How so? Because the current system in place has led to multiple mass shootings by those who have had zero issue passing a background check. Outside of terrorist attacks (namely the Tennessee shooting) please enlighten me on how many of those mass shootings were from individuals who obtained their guns illegally. Don't worry, i'll wait.
Posted on 8/28/15 at 7:39 am to USAF Hart
A person with severe autism can walk into a gun store and purchase a gun legally so long as his criminal background history is clean. How in the hell is that something that is deemed ok. I've slept on this topic, and I agree with everyone else that said we need to find a way to implement mental health checks into the gun purchase process. I don't know what processes can be put into place, but something else other than a criminal background check needs to be done.
Posted on 8/28/15 at 7:43 am to USAF Hart
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Don't worry, i'll wait.
I am sure this information is available and you can do your own homework.
Posted on 8/28/15 at 7:45 am to USAF Hart
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I don't know what processes can be put into place, but something else other than a criminal background check needs to be done.
Slippery slope.
Posted on 8/28/15 at 7:56 am to H.M. Murdock
Well you can't take guns away from law abiding citizens because of the 2nd amendment. You can't expect firearm crime rate to drop when thousands of guns are brought into the US via drug trafficking/black market deals. We could fight the war on drugs, but as long as our borders are open we will never win. So the next logical step(s)are to minimize the spread of firearms to the general public by way of mental health testing. Ensure that those who are purchasing a weapon are mentally stable and that can pass a background check. Or you give a gun to every single household.
Who I would love to hear from is someone who lives in Kennessaw, GA where it is required by city law that every household must own a firearm. How do you stop the crazies from shooting out in the streets, etc.? Is there a background/mental health check that you must pass before you are able to rent/buy a place in Kennessaw?
Who I would love to hear from is someone who lives in Kennessaw, GA where it is required by city law that every household must own a firearm. How do you stop the crazies from shooting out in the streets, etc.? Is there a background/mental health check that you must pass before you are able to rent/buy a place in Kennessaw?
Posted on 8/28/15 at 12:32 pm to USAF Hart
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Outside of terrorist attacks (namely the Tennessee shooting) please enlighten me on how many of those mass shootings were from individuals who obtained their guns illegally. Don't worry, i'll wait.
Adam Lamza, for one. I'm sure you can manage to look up the rest.
Posted on 8/28/15 at 12:38 pm to USAF Hart
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what other options would y'all suggest?
Nothing. The NRA is too powerful of a lobby and guns are too saturated within the America public for any policy to actually do any good.
The only real option is the option we have chosen: become desensitized about gun violence.
Posted on 8/28/15 at 12:44 pm to USAF Hart
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Who I would love to hear from is someone who lives in Kennessaw, GA where it is required by city law that every household must own a firearm. How do you stop the crazies from shooting out in the streets, etc.? Is there a background/mental health check that you must pass before you are able to rent/buy a place in Kennessaw?
I don't live in Kennesaw, but don't they have one of the lowest crime rates in the state?
This whole "we must do something" attitude after every single shooting is getting old. Fact is, every single measure that the left has wanted to implement would not have stopped this guy from killing the reporters.
He was fired from that job 2 years ago, had a clean record, and purchased his firearm legally. Nothing anyone has put forward, short of disarming the populace, would have prevented him from shooting them.
Posted on 8/28/15 at 12:48 pm to SidewalkDawg
Yea, Kennessaw has the lowest crime rates of any city it's size in the United States.
Posted on 8/28/15 at 12:55 pm to cardboardboxer
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he only real option is the option we have chosen: become desensitized about gun violence.
Or accept the fact that there will always be evil people who commit evil acts regardless of the mechanism used. Seriously, in the present act he could have just as easily used a knife or baseball bat for the same outcome.
Posted on 8/28/15 at 1:00 pm to USAF Hart
No one is misinterpreting your post
You're not pro second amendment, and if you think you are then you're outrageously misinformed about a great many things.
thats before I would talk about the logical fallacies, inconsistencies and pointlessness of your proposal or putting 3.7 per 100,000 into context for you
Holy shite dude. I'm also disappointed that after arguing about it your friend, you never had the clarity to realize your proposal is fricking nuts.
No offense intended by any of this.
You're not pro second amendment, and if you think you are then you're outrageously misinformed about a great many things.
thats before I would talk about the logical fallacies, inconsistencies and pointlessness of your proposal or putting 3.7 per 100,000 into context for you
Holy shite dude. I'm also disappointed that after arguing about it your friend, you never had the clarity to realize your proposal is fricking nuts.
No offense intended by any of this.
Posted on 8/28/15 at 1:01 pm to USMCTiger03
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Or accept the fact that there will always be evil people who commit evil acts regardless of the mechanism used. Seriously, in the present act he could have just as easily used a knife or baseball bat for the same outcome.
I agree. If they take away guns, what's next? Knives? After knives, bats? Hell, I am sure someone with the proper background could kill you with a spoon. Also, a trained MMA fighter could kill you with his/her bare hands. You have to draw the line with banning at something. That something needs to be guns. You just simply cannot ban guns.
Which all leads back to making it harder for the average joe citizen to get a gun, but also focusing more efforts into stopping drug trafficking/trading that brings illegal weapons into the wrong hands.
Posted on 8/28/15 at 1:03 pm to USAF Hart
You say you don't want guns taken away but your proposal advocates making the only entity that is a threat to take them away, the sole distributor to the people
Posted on 8/28/15 at 1:04 pm to DelU249
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you never had the clarity to realize your proposal is fricking nuts.
Maybe I don't have such a skewed view of law enforcement as others. I know there are crooked cops that would still do illegal things, but I don't see how controlling who gets a gun by way of the police is a terrible and inexcusable proposal.
Posted on 8/28/15 at 1:10 pm to DelU249
How can you be pro 2nd Amendment and say this?
There are many types of autism. How many autistic people have killed others? Why isn't this ok? Are you just ignorant of the difference between autism and other personality disorders?
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A person with severe autism can walk into a gun store and purchase a gun legally so long as his criminal background history is clean. How in the hell is that something that is deemed ok
There are many types of autism. How many autistic people have killed others? Why isn't this ok? Are you just ignorant of the difference between autism and other personality disorders?
Posted on 8/28/15 at 1:10 pm to USAF Hart
I have a pretty high view of law enforcement.
The fact is they are the enforcement arm of the government and can be used to do horrible things...have been used to do horrible things.
Your vision is incredibly short sighted. It seems to me that you think all can be trusted to last forever. That shite can flip on a dime and though it's highly unlikely, you shouldn't doom future generations to suffer. America would not be a democracy if not for the right of the people.
The fact is they are the enforcement arm of the government and can be used to do horrible things...have been used to do horrible things.
Your vision is incredibly short sighted. It seems to me that you think all can be trusted to last forever. That shite can flip on a dime and though it's highly unlikely, you shouldn't doom future generations to suffer. America would not be a democracy if not for the right of the people.
Posted on 8/28/15 at 1:13 pm to USAF Hart
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Which all leads back to making it harder for the average joe citizen to get a gun, but also focusing more efforts into stopping drug trafficking/trading that brings illegal weapons into the wrong hands.
I know this is a tired argument, but why is it that cars are never blamed for deaths and instead the person driving it is. However, when it comes to guns, we must blame the gun and institute laws.
Extrapolate all existing gun laws to car purchases and you can start to see how ridiculous these arguments are. A gun is an object, it can be used for many things, including murder. Same for cars.
Why gun related suicides are even part of "Gun Violence" I'll never know. But if you take those out, you are looking at 12,280 gun crimes in 2010. Considering our population that's hardly a blip on the radar.
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