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re: Grandpa of teen killed in OK burglary says AR-15 is unfair advantage.

Posted on 4/7/17 at 9:50 am to
Posted by Mr. Hangover
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2003
34507 posts
Posted on 4/7/17 at 9:50 am to
quote:

If your cohorts are killed and you survive you get charged with murder

I'm sorry every time I hear that it sounds even more stupid. So we need to charge a 21 year old girl with murder for being the getaway driver for a B&E? That's moronic


I completely agree

Laws that are designed to deter felonies are fricking stupid
This post was edited on 4/7/17 at 9:51 am
Posted by DelU249
Austria
Member since Dec 2010
77625 posts
Posted on 4/7/17 at 9:50 am to
buzz, your girlfriend
Posted by TigerOnTheMountain
Higher Elevation
Member since Oct 2014
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Posted on 4/7/17 at 9:53 am to
Who cares? Hopefully she gets the death penalty so the tax payer doesn't have to waste money on her. I have no sympathy for these people and couldn't care less what happens to her. We're lucky she doesn't have three kids by each of the dead criminals.
Posted by DelU249
Austria
Member since Dec 2010
77625 posts
Posted on 4/7/17 at 9:54 am to
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Laws that are designed to deter felonies are fricking stupid
so 10 years in prison isn't a deterrent?

not enough, let's charge her with capital murder

the 3 dead robbers aren't a deterrent?

if a rival shoots a drug dealer while you're buying pot from him is that second degree murder?

can we cane people for graffiti?
Posted by mikrit54
Robeline
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Posted on 4/7/17 at 9:54 am to


Posted by StrongSafety
Member since Sep 2004
17547 posts
Posted on 4/7/17 at 9:54 am to
You know what,

When I was younger, a group of 7-10 year olds spray painted my car with a bunch of vulgar words and possibly "gang" related epithets. This happened in the back of my complex and I heard it all happen. It was at 2AM in the morning. I didn't see it happen but I heard the commotion.

It scared the hell out of me, and it cost me a shite ton of money to fix. Thankfully for me, I had car insurance being paid for me, and Sweet hook up at a body shop with some family friends. They were able to repaint my whole car (it needed some work) and I walked away with my possession. It did cost me a pretty coin though out of pocket.

Turns out I'd seen these kids in the neighborhood before and I had a clue of who they were. They'd pass through our lot and touch people's cars and I'd tell them to kick rocks basically. My neighbor saw the vandalism of my car happen and didn't call the cops (a-hole. I was more pissed at him -- couldn't trust him).

I was pissed that my sense of security was jeopardized. The car sucked and it sucked having that crap on my car -- I thought I was a target while the crap was on my car. But once I got that secured away at a shop, I cared less about the car. Because it could be replaced. And it could be repainted.

I never once held any resentment towards the young boys that did that -- I jut wish I knew their parents so I could talk to them about the risks of their sons deeds. I never once thought about calling the cops on them --- the penal system is too harsh on young black boys and they'd probably get oversentence for what is actually a trivial crime in terms of my property (which again can be replaced and fixed. Thankfully I was fortune enough to have the means). That's what held me back the most. Couldn't throw more young black boys into a penal system that punitively punishes them.

I still hold no resentment towards them and never once thought about getting a weapon after this. I wasn't gonna and won't let that one moment make me an ultra aggressive beta that lets one moment hold him as a prisoner. I actually hope those boy are doing well now and I hope they haven't fallen into a life of crime. I'd be doing myself no good living mylife in fear.

I continued to live at that complex for another year and half,and although I was more cautious, I never once thought about arming myself.

Why would I take another life just for a car? I value myself, my life, my peace of mind, and others lives way way way more than any item that can be replaced. I work hard so that it can be. I would want my son to grow up to be a man that can resolve conflicts with his mouth and mind and not with his fists and guns
This post was edited on 4/7/17 at 9:57 am
Posted by DelU249
Austria
Member since Dec 2010
77625 posts
Posted on 4/7/17 at 9:54 am to
quote:

We're lucky she doesn't have three kids by each of the dead criminals.
no argument there
Posted by hawkster
Member since Aug 2010
6229 posts
Posted on 4/7/17 at 9:54 am to
Consciously choosing to take part in a felony, involving the use of weapons, that results in a death during the commission of the crime. That's good enough for first degree murder in my book any day.
Posted by DelU249
Austria
Member since Dec 2010
77625 posts
Posted on 4/7/17 at 9:55 am to
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I never once thought about calling the cops on them
so they graduated to burglary and a white boy with an ar-15 shot them

that's how I want the story to end so i'll just stop reading there.
Posted by Mr. Hangover
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2003
34507 posts
Posted on 4/7/17 at 9:55 am to
Dude, you went way off on a completely different tangent.. you're comparing apples to oranges

I absolutely have zero problem with this law
Posted by CaptainsWafer
TD Platinum Member
Member since Feb 2006
58331 posts
Posted on 4/7/17 at 9:56 am to
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2 AM in the morning

NO

WAY
Posted by ZappBrannigan
Member since Jun 2015
7692 posts
Posted on 4/7/17 at 9:56 am to
Gated community is still easily breached.

But if someone is breaking into your home with weapons, there is no "you get out of here" debate forthcoming. They have come in to possibly do mortal harm to your person. You are allowed to not allow them that chance. As the law intends.

Suck less.
Posted by DelU249
Austria
Member since Dec 2010
77625 posts
Posted on 4/7/17 at 9:57 am to
that's fine I totally understand why people feel that way

I would feel that way if the boy was killed...and BTW I still think he got the worst deal

he now has to live with 3 dead kids he was forced to kill.
Posted by civiltiger07
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2011
14022 posts
Posted on 4/7/17 at 9:57 am to
So let me get this straight. You are comparing someone spray painting your car, which you were no were around, to someone robbing a house while armed? Not quite the same thing.
Posted by CaptainsWafer
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Member since Feb 2006
58331 posts
Posted on 4/7/17 at 9:58 am to
I believe she actually does have three kids.
Posted by StrongSafety
Member since Sep 2004
17547 posts
Posted on 4/7/17 at 9:58 am to
No I forgave them and moved on with my life.

Today was actually the first time in 3 years that I'd thought about it.

All the cuckholden dudes in here probably grab their gun every time a dude looks at them funny.

It'd suck To live life in suck a beta state
Posted by SabiDojo
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Member since Nov 2010
83929 posts
Posted on 4/7/17 at 9:59 am to
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I never once held any resentment towards the young boys that did that -- I jut wish I knew their parents so I could talk to them about the risks of their sons deeds. I never once thought about calling the cops on them --- the penal system is too harsh on young black boys and they'd probably get oversentence for what is actually a trivial crime in terms of my property (which again can be replaced and fixed. Thankfully I was fortune enough to have the means)


That's pretty patronizing and insulting to decent black men, in my opinion.

quote:

I still hold no resentment towards them and never once thought about getting a weapon after this. I wasn't gonna and won't let that one moment make me an ultra aggressive beta that lets one moment hold him as a prisoner. I actually hope those boy are doing well now and I hope they haven't fallen into a life of crime. I'd be doing myself no good living mylife in fear.


Um, okay.

quote:

Why would I take another life just for a car?


A car being vandalized while you're not in it =/= being at home when three armed men in ski masks, black clothes, and gloves break in
Posted by ZappBrannigan
Member since Jun 2015
7692 posts
Posted on 4/7/17 at 9:59 am to
So you're the reason these kids grow up thinking it's ok.
Posted by DelU249
Austria
Member since Dec 2010
77625 posts
Posted on 4/7/17 at 10:00 am to
quote:

I absolutely have zero problem with this law
nothing wrong with that

quote:

you went way off on a completely different tangent
I think about this in an abstract way...where do we draw the line? I just think the law sucks
Posted by StrongSafety
Member since Sep 2004
17547 posts
Posted on 4/7/17 at 10:00 am to
quote:

So let me get this straight. You are comparing someone spray painting your car, which you were no were around, to someone robbing a house while armed? Not quite the same thing.


I was 20 feet away from it in my apartment when it happen. I heard it all happen. I also had GANG RELATED EPITHETS spray painted all over my car...and I had to drive my car around. What could have happened had I been seen by the rival
Gang? I'd be 6 feet underneath probably.
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