re: GM delays start of EV production at Michigan plant due to lack of demand

Saw a post online this morning from a 10 year Tesla owner. She said aside from the battery worry, she's buying tires more frequently because of the added wear and tear from the curb weight.

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Saw a post online this morning from a 10 year Tesla owner. She said aside from the battery worry, she's buying tires more frequently because of the added wear and tear from the curb weight.

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They’re marginally heavier than vehicles in their class. She’s probably curb surfing a lot.

And idk why she’s worried about the battery. You can check the degradation on the dash.

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One of the funniest OT replies to this point was maybe about a month ago, wish I remembered which poster, but he justified it by saying the companies got the subsidies but with EVs the consumer gets the subsidies. You did not read that wrong, that was his way of justifying O&G getting subsidies to the multi billion dollar company with no issue, but it was bad to for EV companies to give consumers the subsidies.

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holy shite how did I miss that. That’s some impressive corporate boot licking.

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Except for ICE vehicles the ceiling for improvement is much higher because the energy density available in a gallon of gasoline is still vastly higher than what EV's have available.

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Know of any major breakthroughs in the pipeline? You must, if you think there is much more room for improvement. But again you show your bias by not considering improved battery chemistries and design.

At this point, the only way to get a significant improvement in efficiency from ICE is to build a hybrid.

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No, I just have a better STEM education than you and I don’t buy into the bullshite wank you peddle.

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Electric motors are better for driving vehicles in literally every single way. Power to weight, efficiency, control, every way. You know that, though. But to pretend that battery energy density by volume and by weight haven't improved in 20 years is just silly.

If advancement stops on all fronts right now, EVs are already on par with ICE for many millions of people. They get the job done at an agreeable price with no sacrifices for their usage (in fact it's more convenient in many cases). But advancement has not stopped, and there are so many avenues for improvement that it should be exciting for anyone with a STEM education. You however seem to be stuck in a rut, wallowing in hate or fear or something.

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The 18650 cells in a 20 year old laptop are the same as what's in your power tools today.

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I have a lot of respect for your opinions though we often differ but you are out over your skis here and claiming a better STEM education only makes it worse.

The 18650 cells you see today are potentially quite different from the cells of 20 years ago. Just because they have the same standardized external dimensions it is foolish to think they are the same inside which is patently false. The 18650 standard has been around for almost 30 years. During that time the maximum capacity has more than tripled from 1200 mAh to as much as 4000 mAh today, cycle times have increased significantly, and max discharge rates have risen from under 5A to as much as 40A. There are literally dozens of combinations of capacity and discharge rates available today along with widely varied pricing and quality. This has been accomplished by tweaking the chemistry and construction of the cells despite the basic chemistry staying the same.

Your statement was dead wrong and I actually think you know it and were just preaching to a choir that doesn't know better. All current 18650 cells are not the same and definitely not all are remotely similar to cells of 20 years ago though you can still buy low capacity low discharge rate cells because they are cheaper and completely adequate in some applications.


I have no issue with people who dislike EVs for whatever reason but misinformation whether accidental or purposeful needs to be addressed.

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Go look at the weight of a model 3 vs a 3 series.

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Trucks do tend to be significantly heavier than their ICE counterparts but EV and ICE cars within a class tend to be reasonably close at least not enough to cause any significant increase in road wear. Most roads are built to handle 40 ton truck travel so even an extra 2000 pounds does not cause any significant difference in wear. Most roads don't fail from just surface wear anyway it is almost always significant areas of base failure. Roadways like interstates with high construction standards to tend to reach the end of service life due to wear though.

EVs should pay their fair share of road taxes and you are correct that some of the flat fees are higher that one pays for a similar ICE vehicle driving an average number of miles per year.

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I guess no one wants to do the math on that?

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They do not. I did the math and these folks are 100% driven by feelings.

Nobody wants these, including the sales team.

Central planning results in low inventory, high prices and shittier service.

This is what people seem to want though.

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And how long will it take to get even 70% of that back

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The answer is always going to be it depends and varies from ev to ev. This has to do with size of battery in the vehicle, charging station output abilities, and ev vehicle charging input abilities.

The Denali ev has a 200kw battery and can accept up to a 350kwh charge. So realistically to go from 10-80% charge in the best charging conditions would take about 30mins. However with the charging infrastructure currently that would be unlikely to be consistent results. But that doesn't mean this can't be achievable in the future.