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re: Found: wreck of Yamato sister ship Musashi
Posted on 3/4/15 at 10:51 am to Darth_Vader
Posted on 3/4/15 at 10:51 am to Darth_Vader
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Was he on a tin can? Those dudes had it rough but stood and fought like hell
Darth, you should read "The Ship That Would Not Die."
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Posted on 3/4/15 at 10:51 am to Darth_Vader
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Darth_Vader
Posted on 3/4/15 at 10:55 am to Spaceman Spiff
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Darth, you should read "The Ship That Would Not Die."
Have it at home, great book. Another good one along that same line is "The Last Stand of the Tin Can Sailors". if you don't already have it, I highly recommend getting it.
Posted on 3/4/15 at 11:11 am to Darth_Vader
The Last Stand of the Tin Can Sailors is a great book. Very interesting.
Posted on 3/4/15 at 11:19 am to Darth_Vader
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But let's not forget there was one final decent surface capital ship engagement during WWII.
In the Pacific we also had the South Dakota and Washington vs. Kirishima. In the Atlantic of course there were several.
Posted on 3/4/15 at 11:25 am to foshizzle
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In the Pacific we also had the South Dakota and Washington vs. Kirishima. In the Atlantic of course there were several.
True. But those were all much smaller engagements than the Battle of Surigao Strait which itself was just one facet of the much larger Battle of Leyte Gulf.
Posted on 3/4/15 at 11:29 am to Darth_Vader
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Have it at home, great book. Another good one along that same line is "The Last Stand of the Tin Can Sailors". if you don't already have it, I highly recommend getting it.
Have that one, too. Excellent read! How are things on your end?
Posted on 3/4/15 at 11:30 am to Darth_Vader
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Battle of Leyte Gulf.
my uncle was on the White Plains during that battle
Posted on 3/4/15 at 11:32 am to Spaceman Spiff
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Have that one, too. Excellent read! How are things on your end?
Too damn wet and too damn cold here.
Hope all is good on your end though.
Posted on 3/4/15 at 11:35 am to Darth_Vader
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Too damn wet and too damn cold here.
Hope all is good on your end though.
Oh man, I can't stand the cold. It made being stationed in NY a pain in the arse.
Weather is perfect here, today - around 80 and sunny. But never fear, that is going to change soon enough...
Posted on 3/4/15 at 11:41 am to Spaceman Spiff
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Weather is perfect here, today - around 80 and sunny
Posted on 3/4/15 at 11:45 am to TigerPanzer
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Unfortunately, not many photos exist of either ship.
And here is a rare shot of both ships (from Musashi's wiki page).
Posted on 3/4/15 at 11:48 am to Darth_Vader
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That time in naval warfare just seems really interesting.
Naval technology had progressed greatly from 1905 to 1916. That's why Jutland is truly unique. The battleships in 1916 were very powerful, so much more so than in 1905 that you have to place the two times in different eras.
44 powerful battleships fought at Jutland. No other naval battle in history can compare with that kind of tonnage and weight of shot, and with respect to those categories, Jutland remains the largest naval battle in history.
Posted on 3/4/15 at 11:55 am to Champagne
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Naval technology had progressed greatly from 1905 to 1916. That's why Jutland is truly unique. The battleships in 1916 were very powerful, so much more so than in 1905 that you have to place the two times in different eras.
44 powerful battleships fought at Jutland. No other naval battle in history can compare with that kind of tonnage and weight of shot, and with respect to those categories, Jutland remains the largest naval battle in history.
Good points. The only downside to Jutland is it seems both admirals were more worried about losing their own fleet than destroying the others. It's like anticipating a great fight between two heavyweights and instead of any great knockouts being landed they just circle each other and trade little jabs.
And you're right about the advance in technology during that time. The launching of the HMS Dreadnought was one of the biggest pivotal moments in naval history. Plus, she was just a beautiful ship.
Posted on 3/4/15 at 12:01 pm to Champagne
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No other naval battle in history can compare with that kind of tonnage and weight of shot, and with respect to those categories, Jutland remains the largest naval battle in history.
No question. Phillipine Sea and Leyte Gulf are the only WWII battles even in the same league and Phillipine Sea (as Midway and Coral Sea) was primarily a carrier engagement.
Leyte Gulf is close for tonnage in the order of battle, but Jutland is the clear winner for engaged surface ships - if that's how we're classifying naval battles - 50-something battleships is just an incredible number.
Posted on 3/4/15 at 12:14 pm to Ace Midnight
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but Jutland is the clear winner for engaged surface ships
One of my favorite quotes from history from a dry wit standpoint comes from Jutland, which there is some controversy on whether or not this was a real quote or not.
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"Chatfield, there seems to be something wrong with our bloody ships today"
- British Admiral David Beatty discussing the losses to the Brit battle cruisers during the Battle of Jutland.
Posted on 3/4/15 at 2:04 pm to Darth_Vader
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But those were all much smaller engagements than the Battle of Surigao Strait
Six US battleships with radar ranging at night vs. a single old Japanese battleship that barely even got off any shots (and none well-aimed) is not a battle IMHO.
Kirishima OTOH gave a very good account of herself, the South Dakota took significant heavy-caliber damage at close range before Washington could provide relief.
Posted on 3/4/15 at 2:14 pm to Darth_Vader
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Very cool. I've always wondered how it would have turn out if the two Japanese super BBs had engaged in a battle with a line of our Iowa class BBs.
Iowa Class had fire control radar that allowed for accuracy while maneuvering at high speed. Yamato class had to rely on much less accurate optical fire control. And Iowa Class's 16 inch shell had nearly the same armor penetration as Yamato's 18 inch shell. Iowa Class BB's were also faster. OTOH a well armored BB could take a tremendous amount of punishment. It's possible neither one could sink the other in a tactical situation.
The only large scale Battleship/Battleship fleet action in the Pacific was the Battle of Surigao Strait, also during the Phillipines campaign. America's WWI era BB's slaughtered Japan's WWI era BB's, but neither side had their top of the line BB's there.
This post was edited on 3/4/15 at 2:16 pm
Posted on 3/4/15 at 2:20 pm to Darth_Vader
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Good points. The only downside to Jutland is it seems both admirals were more worried about losing their own fleet than destroying the others. It's like anticipating a great fight between two heavyweights and instead of any great knockouts being landed they just circle each other and trade little jabs.
Battleships took years to build and were hideously expensive. Only a handful of nations could afford them. If an all out naval war somehow broke out today, we'd have the same reluctance to commit our aircraft carriers to a high threat action.
Posted on 3/4/15 at 2:23 pm to Darth_Vader
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Have it at home, great book. Another good one along that same line is "The Last Stand of the Tin Can Sailors".
I've read it. It's fantastic.
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