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re: For those of y'all who hate Walmart, read these facts and savor them

Posted on 6/13/17 at 10:50 pm to
Posted by League Champs
Bayou Self
Member since Oct 2012
10340 posts
Posted on 6/13/17 at 10:50 pm to
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selling cheap shite from China

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tech company

Not sure you saw what you did there
Posted by tigersownall
Thibodaux
Member since Sep 2011
15325 posts
Posted on 6/13/17 at 10:51 pm to
Not shocked they are in this position when they sell stuff at less than a 5% profit margin.
Posted by rocket31
Member since Jan 2008
41819 posts
Posted on 6/13/17 at 10:52 pm to
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You claimed that "everything" is more expensive now than in the past.


ill play along, what is not more expensive now...
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
25455 posts
Posted on 6/13/17 at 10:52 pm to
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Ok what % of their revenue ends up as net profit? They make over 20% profit when everything is factored in, which is awesome!



20%. That's what net profit means. Net Sales(Revenue)/Net Income. You have to understand that these ratios vary between industries and companies depending on their structure. 20% NPM is not very much above industry standard (18%). Also, this may not be the best ratio to evaluate them on because, like I said, much of their assets are long lived and intangible. Because of this, they incur expenses (which affect net income) in big chunks and not during the useful life of their assets (intangible such as patents on their software and IP) so the revenues and expenses don't match. So looking at NPM is not really indicitive of what they make on a per Iphone basis.
Posted by CCTider
Member since Dec 2014
24169 posts
Posted on 6/13/17 at 10:53 pm to
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Walmart’s low-wage workers cost U.S. taxpayers an estimated $6.2 billion in public assistance including food stamps, Medicaid and subsidized housing, according to a report published to coincide with Tax Day, April 15.

Americans for Tax Fairness, a coalition of 400 national and state-level progressive groups, made this estimate using data from a 2013 study by Democratic Staff of the U.S. Committee on Education and the Workforce.



“The study estimated the cost to Wisconsin’s taxpayers of Walmart’s low wages and benefits, which often force workers to rely on various public assistance programs,” reads the report, available in full here.

“It found that a single Walmart Supercenter cost taxpayers between $904,542 and $1.75 million per year, or between $3,015 and $5,815 on average for each of 300 workers.”


I'm sure you're a big fan of welfare programs. Right?

LINK
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
73856 posts
Posted on 6/13/17 at 10:53 pm to
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what is not more expensive now...

airfare
Posted by AbuTheMonkey
Chicago, IL
Member since May 2014
8003 posts
Posted on 6/13/17 at 10:53 pm to
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uote:
pls conveniently ignore that you could get a great house for ~75-100k "back in the day" instead of the ~250k it costs now
You claimed that "everything" is more expensive now than in the past. That statement is absolutely absurd.



As a pretty general rule:

Tradeable goods have drastically reduced in price in real dollars pretty much across the board.

Non-tradeable goods have steadily risen 3 - 5% above inflation for the past generation or so.
Posted by Spock's Eyebrow
Member since May 2012
12300 posts
Posted on 6/13/17 at 10:53 pm to
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They are making almost 150% margin on each individual iPhone.

The 20 - 25% income statement margins reflect the R&D.



Gross margins for Apple as a whole have settled around 38%, down from a staggering 48% in late 2012 IIRC, just prior to a brutal two year $AAPL crash and recovery. Even the lower level is unheard of for a company like Apple.
Posted by rocket31
Member since Jan 2008
41819 posts
Posted on 6/13/17 at 10:54 pm to
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airfare


true
Posted by LSUTigersVCURams
Member since Jul 2014
21940 posts
Posted on 6/13/17 at 10:56 pm to
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This post was edited on 6/29/17 at 2:05 pm
Posted by lsu480
Downtown Scottsdale
Member since Oct 2007
92876 posts
Posted on 6/13/17 at 10:56 pm to
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20%. That's what net profit means. Net Sales(Revenue)/Net Income. You have to understand that these ratios vary between industries and companies depending on their structure. 20% NPM is not very much above industry standard (18%). Also, this may not be the best ratio to evaluate them on because, like I said, much of their assets are long lived and intangible. Because of this, they incur expenses (which affect net income) in big chunks and not during the useful life of their assets (intangible such as patents on their software and IP) so the revenues and expenses don't match. So looking at NPM is not really indicitive of what they make on a per Iphone basis.


You are the only tard talking about "per iPhone" and as a company they beat 20% year after year after year. Just admit you failed miserably while trying to give us a "lesson"!
Posted by AbuTheMonkey
Chicago, IL
Member since May 2014
8003 posts
Posted on 6/13/17 at 10:57 pm to
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quote:
Walmart’s low-wage workers cost U.S. taxpayers an estimated $6.2 billion in public assistance including food stamps, Medicaid and subsidized housing, according to a report published to coincide with Tax Day, April 15.

Americans for Tax Fairness, a coalition of 400 national and state-level progressive groups, made this estimate using data from a 2013 study by Democratic Staff of the U.S. Committee on Education and the Workforce.



“The study estimated the cost to Wisconsin’s taxpayers of Walmart’s low wages and benefits, which often force workers to rely on various public assistance programs,” reads the report, available in full here.

“It found that a single Walmart Supercenter cost taxpayers between $904,542 and $1.75 million per year, or between $3,015 and $5,815 on average for each of 300 workers.”


I'm sure you're a big fan of welfare programs. Right?

LINK


There are some baked-in assumptions to that study that are a nice sleight of hand, but for starters, the idea that Walmart will employee the same number of workers at higher wage levels is incorrect.

For most of these people, it's either work at Walmart, or no job. The number that Walmart will absorb into its work force shrinks as entry level labor pricing increases. That is indisputable. You could raise the entry level wage at WM to $15/hour, and we'd still have roughly the same, if not more, expenditures on welfare for that same group of people; it would just be allocated differently.
Posted by rocket31
Member since Jan 2008
41819 posts
Posted on 6/13/17 at 10:59 pm to
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I'm sure you're a big fan of welfare programs. Right?


yep, thats hailhails logic for ya
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
25455 posts
Posted on 6/13/17 at 11:00 pm to
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That R&D is baked into Apple's income statement and balance sheet


It's expensed as it's incurred so revenues from the sale of Iphones do not match the biggest expense that was incurred to make it (R&D) many times. Yes, intangible are baked into the BS and IS, but like I said revenues don't match expenses, and the way intangibles are accounted for they are not going to reflect the fair value of what it's actually worth (unless it has to be impaired so it would be recorded at FV).

Look, NPM is a useful ratio, but when you are talking about a heavily intangible company a large majority of the time NPM piblished using book value, especially on a product line basis, are not going to anywhere near the same as if they were done at fair value.
Posted by CCTider
Member since Dec 2014
24169 posts
Posted on 6/13/17 at 11:02 pm to
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I love walmart. Quality wares at a fair price. If you hate walmart, you hate america if you ask me.



No. Real Americans love Costco. Great prices, great quality, and they pay their employees enough that they don't suck on the government's tit like Walmart.

If you love Walmart, you love welfare.
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
69301 posts
Posted on 6/13/17 at 11:03 pm to
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ill play along, what is not more expensive now...


common household goods



Food

Posted by lsu480
Downtown Scottsdale
Member since Oct 2007
92876 posts
Posted on 6/13/17 at 11:03 pm to
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Production and product costs are not their main expense


What is Apple's main expense?
Posted by Tunasntigers92
The Boot
Member since Sep 2014
23658 posts
Posted on 6/13/17 at 11:03 pm to
Whatd you do this time?
Posted by Sisyphus
Member since Feb 2014
1823 posts
Posted on 6/13/17 at 11:04 pm to
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Has there ever been a more amazing product than the iPhone?


Toilet paper
Posted by CCTider
Member since Dec 2014
24169 posts
Posted on 6/13/17 at 11:05 pm to
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There are some baked-in assumptions to that study that are a nice sleight of hand, but for starters, the idea that Walmart will employee the same number of workers at higher wage levels is incorrect.

For most of these people, it's either work at Walmart, or no job. The number that Walmart will absorb into its work force shrinks as entry level labor pricing increases. That is indisputable. You could raise the entry level wage at WM to $15/hour, and we'd still have roughly the same, if not more, expenditures on welfare for that same group of people; it would just be allocated differently.


Even at $10 an hour, do you really believe Walmart doesn't use the bare minimum number of employees to get things done? Have you seen their lines? If they could use less employees, they absolutely would. They've got box retail down to a science.
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