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re: Explosion Of Creativity In the Sixties And Seventies
Posted on 6/25/15 at 1:01 pm to ForeverLSU02
Posted on 6/25/15 at 1:01 pm to ForeverLSU02
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PCP
Why did this not help Rodney King in the same way?
Posted on 6/25/15 at 1:07 pm to genuineLSUtiger
Project MKULTRA's mind control experiments, which lead to the Stanford LSD reasearch project that Ken Kesey participated in, which lead him to becoming a major proponent of the use of the drug and his subsequent formation of the Merry Pranksters, who drove around California giving many major future artists, musicians, authors, and film-makers their first trips.
Read The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test and make note of the amount of highly influential people of that period who were directly impacted by Kesey and his Merry Pranksters and Owsley Stanley, who was THE manufacturer of the subtance during that period and was the man who dosed the Beatles, by their own admission.
Read The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test and make note of the amount of highly influential people of that period who were directly impacted by Kesey and his Merry Pranksters and Owsley Stanley, who was THE manufacturer of the subtance during that period and was the man who dosed the Beatles, by their own admission.
This post was edited on 6/25/15 at 1:15 pm
Posted on 6/25/15 at 1:08 pm to genuineLSUtiger
Sounds like a question that the book 'Outliers' would have addressed.
Posted on 6/25/15 at 1:11 pm to genuineLSUtiger
That time was the beginning of the end for our once proud, God-fearing country.
Posted on 6/25/15 at 1:12 pm to genuineLSUtiger
Technology was available for the first time that allowed mass distribution, which leads to more inspiration.
The economy had taken off to an extent that allowed A) people the leisure time to enjoy art, B) have the money to spend on art C) make a good living off of selling art.
The economy had taken off to an extent that allowed A) people the leisure time to enjoy art, B) have the money to spend on art C) make a good living off of selling art.
Posted on 6/25/15 at 1:15 pm to Tiger Bawlz
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Acid
LSD had more to do with it than a lot of people might imagine.
For one thing, the acid available back then was extremely potent, made mostly by underground chemists who were more interested in establishing themselves as kings of psychadelia than making money.
Owsley, the Eternal Brotherhood of Love--these guys simply relished the fact that they were psychadelicizing substantial numbers of under-30 Americans. And we acid heads were the beneficiaries.
Even today, at age 62, I'd risk a coronary for a tab of honest-to-God Orange Sunshine. I'd sure go out in a blaze of glory.
Posted on 6/25/15 at 1:19 pm to genuineLSUtiger
TV opened communication and added a median to share and bring ideas in light.
There were a lot of baby boomers.
There were a lot of baby boomers.
Posted on 6/25/15 at 1:19 pm to Tigerwaffe
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Tigerwaffe
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Even today, at age 62, I'd risk a coronary for a tab of honest-to-God Orange Sunshine. I'd sure go out in a blaze of glory.
I think you and I would become fast friends in real life.
Posted on 6/25/15 at 1:26 pm to genuineLSUtiger
quote:It's racist along with everything else
Why did this not help Rodney King in the same way?
Posted on 6/25/15 at 1:28 pm to genuineLSUtiger
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I think you and I would become fast friends in real life
Seriously, I was in San Francisco a few weeks ago, and traipsing around the Presidio and GGP I had a big hunger for some potent acid. Those places remind me of the environments I tripped in as a kid, the Malibu canyons and Santa Monica Mountains in particular.
Ah well, Don Fagan put it best: those days are gone forever/over a long time ago.
Posted on 6/25/15 at 1:35 pm to CowboyPride
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TV opened communication and added a median to share and bring ideas in light.
Great point. Mass communication certainly opened American's eyes to the horrors in Vietnam and certainly helped to turn public opinion against the war. When Walter Cronkite started criticizing our involvement, that was the beginning of the end. I see a parallel to the rise of the internet today and the way it gives billions of people access to events and information instantly. It is driving much of the social unrest, protest movements today. It is like television on steroids. It is also exposing people to new ideas, philosophies, technologies on a global, exponential level compared to what television was able to do in the Sixties.
Posted on 6/25/15 at 1:38 pm to genuineLSUtiger
Humans have been creative and artistic from the dawn of time. The only "explosion" is due to the changing nature of "mass communication" and getting what has always been out to much larger audiences in a much quicker manner.
That and the inherent narcissism of the generations that came of age in the United States of the 1960s and 1970s. Their parents were prosperous...yes, I'm generalizing...and they had their fair share of whatever they wanted, and yet "rebelled" anyway.
Recorded music, I.M.O. has killed some creativity, as before recorded music came along, people and families all had someone to play or sing as a means of family entertainment, now, our society is much more of an "entertain me, I'll listen" society. If you don't sing good enough, you shouldn't sing at all is a very strong dynamic, emotion in our time. It was not always a dominant thing.
That and the inherent narcissism of the generations that came of age in the United States of the 1960s and 1970s. Their parents were prosperous...yes, I'm generalizing...and they had their fair share of whatever they wanted, and yet "rebelled" anyway.
Recorded music, I.M.O. has killed some creativity, as before recorded music came along, people and families all had someone to play or sing as a means of family entertainment, now, our society is much more of an "entertain me, I'll listen" society. If you don't sing good enough, you shouldn't sing at all is a very strong dynamic, emotion in our time. It was not always a dominant thing.
Posted on 6/25/15 at 1:48 pm to RedPop4
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If you don't sing good enough, you shouldn't sing at all is a very strong dynamic, emotion in our time.
The ironic thing about that statement is that most of the well known singers and pop stars of today can't really sing that great. The vocals are so overproduced with autotune etc. that many great natural voices get drowned out in the process. I think what has been lost today, at least in regards to the popular music you hear on the radio, is letting musicians play and sing in a stripped down, natural manner. When I listen to music pre late seventies it has a raw, natural sound that is unmistakeable, That is the way music should be, in my opinion. Synthesizers ruined great classic rock in the mid eighties. It has only gotten more and more overproduced since then.
Posted on 6/25/15 at 3:26 pm to genuineLSUtiger
Here's how.
Creativity is a nicer way of saying against the grain, anti-establishment, system bucking, non-conforming - pretty much every sign of the time by which most would attribute to the 1960's. The question in your OP was why. Why so much of it in the 1960's.
To answer that question, look first at those through which all of that creativity manifested. By and large, young folks. Then, look at who raised, molded, and shaped those young folks - a generation born during an economic depression, and maturing during World War II. They've come to be known as The Greatest Generation (I believe the moniker is deserved).
So, what was it about the "the Greatest Generation" that made them raise children that were ultra creative, expressive, and non-confirming? By and large, the fact the many of the GG spent the first 25 years of their collective lives seeing nothing but pain, suffering, death, and hardship made them, in many people's opinions, raise children with no discipline, limits, or hardships to face. The GG was determined to never let their children experience the hardships they suffered in the past. In giving them everything, making them want for nothing, and insulating them from every worldly pain, they (understandably) removed the very catalyst that made them great.
The result? a generation of people that think they are owed everything, but short of thrash a guitar, dress goofy, have sit ins, be ins, and other mindless gatherings, really can't do much of anything.
Creativity is a nicer way of saying against the grain, anti-establishment, system bucking, non-conforming - pretty much every sign of the time by which most would attribute to the 1960's. The question in your OP was why. Why so much of it in the 1960's.
To answer that question, look first at those through which all of that creativity manifested. By and large, young folks. Then, look at who raised, molded, and shaped those young folks - a generation born during an economic depression, and maturing during World War II. They've come to be known as The Greatest Generation (I believe the moniker is deserved).
So, what was it about the "the Greatest Generation" that made them raise children that were ultra creative, expressive, and non-confirming? By and large, the fact the many of the GG spent the first 25 years of their collective lives seeing nothing but pain, suffering, death, and hardship made them, in many people's opinions, raise children with no discipline, limits, or hardships to face. The GG was determined to never let their children experience the hardships they suffered in the past. In giving them everything, making them want for nothing, and insulating them from every worldly pain, they (understandably) removed the very catalyst that made them great.
The result? a generation of people that think they are owed everything, but short of thrash a guitar, dress goofy, have sit ins, be ins, and other mindless gatherings, really can't do much of anything.
Posted on 6/25/15 at 3:37 pm to lsu480
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The civil rights movement made black culture more accessible which allowed white people to steal their ideas
Posted on 6/25/15 at 3:52 pm to Tigerwaffe
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LSD had more to do with it than a lot of people might imagine. For one thing, the acid available back then was extremely potent, made mostly by underground chemists who were more interested in establishing themselves as kings of psychadelia than making money. Owsley, the Eternal Brotherhood of Love--these guys simply relished the fact that they were psychadelicizing substantial numbers of under-30 Americans. And we acid heads were the beneficiaries. Even today, at age 62, I'd risk a coronary for a tab of honest-to-God Orange Sunshine. I'd sure go out in a blaze of glory.
interesting history lesson right here
Posted on 6/25/15 at 4:14 pm to Tiger Bawlz
Owsley and Tim Scully's product was 99.9% pure. That's a fact. Kids these days are taking stuff that isn't even the chemical it purports to be at all, much less 99.9% pure.
Posted on 6/25/15 at 4:17 pm to genuineLSUtiger
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I think what has been lost today, at least in regards to the popular music you hear on the radio, is letting musicians play and sing in a stripped down, natural manner.
Get you some Seasick Steve. That dude's playing festivals with a guitar with only 3 strings on it and another he made out of two trash can lids. He's basically the inverse of the autotune generation.
Posted on 6/25/15 at 4:23 pm to Cooter Davenport
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Kids these days are taking stuff that isn't even the chemical it purports to be at all, much less 99.9% pure.
Not surprised. That also could be said for all drugs brought in the country these days.
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