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Electric water heater problems
Posted on 12/17/16 at 10:23 pm
Posted on 12/17/16 at 10:23 pm
Hey everyone, I am having problems with my 5 year old State Select 50 gallon electric water heater.
It has been shorting out and turning off every other day, to multiple times a day. I usually can tell before it happens because the hot water becomes scalding hot out of nowhere. I've tried turning the temperature down but to no avail.
I'm not very technical and am unfamiliar with how they work. Any ideas, advice and suggestions are welcomed!
It has been shorting out and turning off every other day, to multiple times a day. I usually can tell before it happens because the hot water becomes scalding hot out of nowhere. I've tried turning the temperature down but to no avail.
I'm not very technical and am unfamiliar with how they work. Any ideas, advice and suggestions are welcomed!
Posted on 12/17/16 at 10:25 pm to ThirstyTigerLSU
You got a multi-meter?
Posted on 12/17/16 at 10:30 pm to ThirstyTigerLSU
Have you tried the reset button? Probably behind a panel you have to screw off.
Might need a new one usually 5-10 years is the life of a hot water heater.
Might need a new one usually 5-10 years is the life of a hot water heater.
Posted on 12/17/16 at 10:32 pm to ThirstyTigerLSU
Is an element grounded? It's rare, but instead of shorting open, then can short to ground and stay on constantly. Usually that would trip the breaker, but it can happen.
Electric water heaters are really simple. Not much to them.
You really need a multimeter or at the minimum a continuity tester.
Electric water heaters are really simple. Not much to them.
You really need a multimeter or at the minimum a continuity tester.
Posted on 12/17/16 at 10:35 pm to ThirstyTigerLSU
Do you know it's shorting out or is that an assumption? Most people who say shorting are actually wrong.
What do you mean by "turning off"? Is the the display going blank? Is it tripping a breaker? If it's truly shorting, it will certainly blow a fuse or trip a breaker.
The first thing you should do is completely flip the related breaker to off and then back on. Many electrical problems relating to appliances that draw a lot of current can be traced back to partially tripped breakers. Please heed this advice. I've dealt with partially tripped breakers with my dryer, stove range, and water heater, each separately.
What do you mean by "turning off"? Is the the display going blank? Is it tripping a breaker? If it's truly shorting, it will certainly blow a fuse or trip a breaker.
The first thing you should do is completely flip the related breaker to off and then back on. Many electrical problems relating to appliances that draw a lot of current can be traced back to partially tripped breakers. Please heed this advice. I've dealt with partially tripped breakers with my dryer, stove range, and water heater, each separately.
Posted on 12/17/16 at 10:37 pm to ThirstyTigerLSU
I do not have a multimeter. (Had to Google what it was)
when it shorts out I have to go in the attic and unscrew the top panel to press the reset button. Upon doing this it comes right back on every time.
I also never have to mess with my house circuit breaker box.
when it shorts out I have to go in the attic and unscrew the top panel to press the reset button. Upon doing this it comes right back on every time.
I also never have to mess with my house circuit breaker box.
Posted on 12/17/16 at 10:41 pm to ThirstyTigerLSU
sounds to me like you have a thermostat going bad...I think there is one on each element of a water heater, so I would change that element.
fwiw, when you take that cover off to push the reset button, be careful, as there is some bare 220V terminals in there that will knock your dick off.
fwiw, when you take that cover off to push the reset button, be careful, as there is some bare 220V terminals in there that will knock your dick off.
Posted on 12/17/16 at 10:49 pm to airfernando
quote:
Do you know it's shorting out or is that an assumption? Most people who say shorting are actually wrong.
What do you mean by "turning off"? Is the the display going blank? Is it tripping a breaker? If it's truly shorting, it will certainly blow a fuse or trip a breaker.
To be honest I'm not really sure, I just assumed. But I do know that my water scolds then later on is not even warm. Although this isn't the case every time it goes out.
The circuit breaker box in my garage is never tripped, but the reset button inside the top panel of the heater is.
Also, no dick to knock off and I really appreciate all the advice.
Posted on 12/17/16 at 11:00 pm to Spankum
quote:
I think there is one on each element of a water heater, so I would change that element.
Yes there are two. How will I know which is bad or if that is the problem? A multimeter?
Posted on 12/17/16 at 11:01 pm to ThirstyTigerLSU
quote:
Yes there are two. How will I know which is bad or if that is the problem? A multimeter?
I think there is a reset button and thermostat on each element, if I remember right...I would suspect the one that you keep having to reset.
Posted on 12/17/16 at 11:05 pm to ThirstyTigerLSU
Hate to say it, if you don't have a multimeter the only way you can fix is to be a "parts changing monkey" and just change parts and hope it fixes it. A multi-meter like a power drill or a hammer is a tool that any man should own. Especially with increasingly electric machinery.
You check the continuity of the elements (power off) if they have continuity they are good, if not they are bad. Be sure to check for continuity between each terminal and ground.
It's going to be an element or the thermostat control. There isn't much else.
A water heater is only junk when it rusts out, other than that it should always be repaired.
You check the continuity of the elements (power off) if they have continuity they are good, if not they are bad. Be sure to check for continuity between each terminal and ground.
It's going to be an element or the thermostat control. There isn't much else.
A water heater is only junk when it rusts out, other than that it should always be repaired.
Posted on 12/17/16 at 11:06 pm to ThirstyTigerLSU
Never mind. I read that you do have a multimeter.
Youtube link on how to test a water heater element using your multimeter.
LINK
Youtube link on how to test a water heater element using your multimeter.
LINK
This post was edited on 12/17/16 at 11:08 pm
Posted on 12/17/16 at 11:06 pm to ThirstyTigerLSU
quote:
Also, no dick to knock off and I really appreciate all the advice.
So, pics?
Anyway, elements can be tested by disconnecting the two leads, retightening the terminals, then testing continuity/resistance across those two terminals.
Posted on 12/17/16 at 11:15 pm to Napoleon
Wow, you guys are great! This has me at least going in the right direction. I knew I could trust the OT to deliver.
Posted on 12/17/16 at 11:15 pm to Roman Candle Tag
Also, if your water temp fluctuates that much, I suspect your lower element or t-stat. The lower element is what heats most of the tank. The top element can't keep up with demand if the lower element is INOP.
Seconding Napoleon's advice: Test with POWER OFF, unless you know what you are doing.
Seconding Napoleon's advice: Test with POWER OFF, unless you know what you are doing.
Posted on 12/17/16 at 11:21 pm to Roman Candle Tag
Thanks, that advice will be taken!
Posted on 12/17/16 at 11:28 pm to ThirstyTigerLSU
Chances are it is either the element or the thermostat, Both parts you should be able to pick up at lowes or HD, bring the model number in with you, both are fairly simple to replace and cheap. Instead of going through the trouble of diagnosing the problem, just change both parts out, if it does not fix the issue then you need an electrician
This post was edited on 12/17/16 at 11:39 pm
Posted on 12/17/16 at 11:35 pm to Roman Candle Tag
this, on most the lower does work a lot harder than the upper.
FWIW the parts cost on changing both is still less than a service fee.
FWIW the parts cost on changing both is still less than a service fee.
This post was edited on 12/17/16 at 11:36 pm
Posted on 12/17/16 at 11:56 pm to ThirstyTigerLSU
quote:
Also, no dick to knock off
sorry for the assumption!
Posted on 12/18/16 at 12:03 am to Napoleon
No offense to the OP but this sounds like a job you need to outsource.
If you do attempt the element replacement,
1. Turn off the breakers or unplug the water heater if it has a plug.
2. Turn off the water supply.
3. Drain the water heater.
4. You will need a special wrench to remove the element.
5. Take pictures of wiring before removing.
6. Fill with water before turning power back on.
7. If in doubt, seek professional help.
If you do attempt the element replacement,
1. Turn off the breakers or unplug the water heater if it has a plug.
2. Turn off the water supply.
3. Drain the water heater.
4. You will need a special wrench to remove the element.
5. Take pictures of wiring before removing.
6. Fill with water before turning power back on.
7. If in doubt, seek professional help.
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