re: Drunk baw throws drunken haymakers on girlfriend

Damn after all that they left together...With all the kissing and hugging and violence something tells me they went home and had some really angry secks..

Serious note.. The wife and I have had this conversation plenty of times and her stance has never changed.. She is always of the opinion that if a women puts her self in a mans shoes (ie: balled up fist punch to face) she'll have no sympathy if they get the same treatment in return.

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You think it's logical for that guy to throw those 2 punches at someone who posed no real threat to him?

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No real threat? You don't think she could break his nose while punching him? You don't think she could cause damage to his eyes or face? I think you're making concessions for her for reasons that are the result of illogical assumptions. I think it's perfectly logical to retaliate with physical force when attacked, if for no other reason than it serves as a deterrent for future attacks.

Please tell me why that's illogical.

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She is always of the opinion that if a women puts her self in a mans shoes (ie: balled up fist punch to face) she'll have no sympathy if they get the same treatment in return.

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Because she has self respect and understands that there are consequences to actions. It's called personal responsibility. It has nothing to do with gender.

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I still don't exactly feel a ton of remorse for the girl

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My wife said the same thing when we watched the video. Mine is a cold hearted bitch.

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No real threat? You don't think she could break his nose while punching him? You don't think she could cause damage to his eyes or face?

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would hold a lot more weight if he threw his punch when she was going after him (still would say walk away there, but your argument would hold more weight)

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When he's standing there not moving and allowing her to punch him in the face? Yes, of course she can. He wasn't trying to avoid the punches, much less the situation. If a female who I know poses no threat of danger to me whatsoever is going to try to attack me, I'm going to remove myself from the situation, something he had no intention of doing.

Honest question that I'm curious to get an answer to, where do you draw the line on that? What if it were a 50 year old female? How about 75...95 year old lady? Go the other way, 18 year old female...17....14?

Where are you drawing the line on people you're ok with using physican force on?

And my 2nd question, if/when you do that and one of your punches land squared and that person falls on the back of their head and dies, what do you think should happen to you specifically as a result?

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Why should someone who is being attacked be required to remove himself from the situation as opposed to retaliating? He has every right to stand there and not be attacked. Tell me you understand that. Why is it his responsibility to deescalate the situation that he did no instigate? Where is the responsibility of the instigator? If he decides to show mercy and “take the high road,” then good on him, but that’s his prerogative. A weak creature should not attack a strong creature hoping for mercy. Every creature on the planet understands that, except apparently for women with no self-awareness, and the men who are fricking them.

Do you believe women should be responsible for their actions? Yes or no

The only reason the woman in that video acted the way she did was because she’s spent her entire life believing that she can treat people (men specifically) however she wants to without concern for the consequences of her actions. If she believed she would receive like treatment, she never would have done it, because no one volunteers to get ktfo.

I don’t draw arbitrary lines with regard to gender or age when determining if someone should be responsible for their actions. If a person has the full capacity to reason as an adult, and attacks another person, they should expect like treatment in return. Children, at a very young age, are capable of understanding this, yet somehow women are not. If a 95 year old woman started slapping me in the face, would I put her on her arse? No, because i'm not trashy. But I’m willing to bet if she took a smack to the face, she’d stop acting like an animal. And I’m willing to bet if she knew she’d get a slap to the face, she’d never have begun acting like an animal to begin with.

As far as your bizarre hypothetical about someone retaliating and killing another person with a punch, if you murder someone, you should go to jail. Again, it’s called personal responsibility. If you retaliate and cannot control yourself and kill someone, then that’s your fault.

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Where is the responsibility of the instigator?

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Probably right where I said she should be charged with assault.

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Why should someone who is being attacked be required to remove himself from the situation as opposed to retaliating? He has every right to stand there and not be attacked. Tell me you understand that. Why is it his responsibility to deescalate the situation that he did no instigate?

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yes, he has the right to, doesn't mean it's a good decision to just stay there. Tell me you understand that.

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Do you believe women should be responsible for their actions? Yes or no

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Addressed already in previous post

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If a 95 year old woman started slapping me in the face, would I put her on her arse? No, because i'm not trashy.

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FWIW, that goes against everything you've said in this thread, unless you're saying you'd also not put the 20 or 30 year old female on their arse.

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As far as your bizarre hypothetical about someone retaliating and killing another person with a punch, if you murder someone, you should go to jail. Again, it’s called personal responsibility. If you retaliate and cannot control yourself and kill someone, then that’s your fault.

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1. Why is it bizarre?

2. Why do you think if you're throwing violent punches at someone wayyyyy less physically imposing as you that this could not happen? You dodged that question, fwiw by changing the hypothetical.

Are you saying you would NOT punch that girl in that scenario? If yes, what happens if you punched her 1 time and she fell, hit her head and died or had severe brain damage? There's nothing at all bizarre about that.

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FWIW, that goes against everything you've said in this thread, unless you're saying you'd also not put the 20 or 30 year old female on their arse.

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Please quote where I said I've (1) hit women (2) would hit a woman.

I'll break it down again for you:

I'm arguing that there is justification for woman receiving violence in return for violence, just as there is for any creature on this planet. It's a simple concept that even toddlers understand.

Whether or not I would would retaliate with like violence is my prerogative, but it is most certainly deserved.

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Why is it bizarre?

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Because it has nothing to do with the topic. It's a random strawman that you're trying to make an argument out of. It's also a very easy question to answer so it was a completely pointless hypothetical.

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if this happened in America, would that guy be charged and/or convicted?

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This is probably the worst debate I've ever been involved in. What the hell are you talking about? Stay on topic or stfu