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Posted on 8/29/17 at 4:37 pm to Simplemaaan
Essentially it would create acid rain, no?
Posted on 8/29/17 at 4:38 pm to Muice
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At this time, while we do not believe there is any imminent danger, the potential for a chemical reaction leading to a fire and/or explosion within the site confines is real.
Posted on 8/29/17 at 4:39 pm to fightin tigers
Wrong, NH3 causes Hi ph in water. But all the same, dangerous.
Posted on 8/29/17 at 4:40 pm to Simplemaaan
Ah, yeah I didn't read that part well - was thinking this was a SA plant
Posted on 8/29/17 at 4:42 pm to TheWiz
frick
Posted on 8/29/17 at 4:45 pm to tgrbaitn08
I don't know how bad it is, but if the tank site is flooded, they may be better draining some of it to the water. If it gets airborne all at once it could be very deadly. Draining it would take special permission from EPA/DEQ type departments. It's illegal.
Posted on 8/29/17 at 4:47 pm to Simplemaaan
This is my problem. Total loss of cooling should have been their worst case evaluation for their PHA... protocol should have been to truck it offsite as part of shutdown protocol or flaired once power sources for secondary power became questionable.
Posted on 8/29/17 at 4:48 pm to TSS_Tiger
You are talking storage tanks with millions of gallons of product. Would take a while unless you could put it in a pipeline and get rid of it.
NH3 Barges woulda been an option. They have self contained cooling and float...lol
NH3 Barges woulda been an option. They have self contained cooling and float...lol
This post was edited on 8/29/17 at 4:51 pm
Posted on 8/29/17 at 4:50 pm to Simplemaaan
Posted on 8/29/17 at 4:54 pm to Simplemaaan
It's about 50 frak tanks but you vent/flare what you can't offload... being difficult doesn't absolve the need for a mitigation plan. I'm sure there are some aspects of their setup I'm not familiar with but we evaluated a similar scenario at more facility and this is what we put in place.
Posted on 8/29/17 at 4:54 pm to Muice
All I see is one storage tank. Looks relatively small. I would dump it to water.
Posted on 8/29/17 at 4:54 pm to TheWiz
That's not ammonia. It's an organic peroxide plant. OPs are reaction initiators that are highly volatile and thermally unstable. Storage temperatures are typically below ambient and decomposition temperatures (explosion) can be as low as 70F. We store 5 gallon jugs of this stuff in climate controlled bunkers. I hope we don't get to see what a few storage tanks can do.
Posted on 8/29/17 at 4:57 pm to WildManGoose
I know nothing about that stuff.
Posted on 8/29/17 at 4:59 pm to WildManGoose
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WildManGoose
That doesn't seem good at all...
Posted on 8/29/17 at 5:02 pm to Simplemaaan
Posted on 8/29/17 at 5:05 pm to TheWiz
This is like Fukushima
Posted on 8/29/17 at 5:05 pm to LSUengr
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Cajun Navy Dispatch is telling boats to stay at least 5 miles away.
Okay. Thanks for the information on all this stuff. The densely populated neighborhoods on west side of Lake Houston seem to be about 6-7 miles away.
Posted on 8/29/17 at 5:15 pm to mikelbr
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Okay. Thanks for the information on all this stuff. The densely populated neighborhoods on west side of Lake Houston seem to be about 6-7 miles away.
I have people there, they seem to be one of the few areas that isn't holding water yet, so they're keeping people there and running rescue around them, an explosion of any great magnitude is about the last thing they need at the moment.
Posted on 8/29/17 at 6:15 pm to TheWiz
There are no ammonia plants in Houston.
Even if there were the are not dangerous in these circumstances and a "big boom" is an absurd conclusion.
Even if there were the are not dangerous in these circumstances and a "big boom" is an absurd conclusion.
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