re: Does your wife "want" to work?

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Arts and crafts, bruh. That's all.

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Everything else takes care of itself.

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Maybe she's not a lazy piece of shite and keeps the house clean as the week goes by. Even better, maybe her husband isn't a lazy piece of shite and helps clean the house.

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Yep, the world is divided into people who work 60 hour a week corporate jobs and "lazy pieces of shite." No middle ground! And anyone who argues otherwise is a lazy piece of shite, so qed

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I think they feel as if we believe their working wives are inferior or something

Nobody is saying that

It is just physically impossible for them to do everything unless they have a job like RBWs

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I would prefer my wife to work. Based on income alone. But when it comes down to it right now, it's better for the family and our sanity for her to stay home and take care of what needs to be done.

The amount of issues that pile up and the lack of time will eventually stress you out until you snap. I understand it happens, but if you have an opportunity to minimize that happening, take it.

There are only so many hours in a day.

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I think they feel as if we believe their working wives are inferior or something

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I would be bad as either a SAHD or a working father, if I had to shoulder much of the responsiblities of home. I work 3 jobs (if you count overtime as a 3rd job) and when I'm home, I'm home, sitting on a$$.

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this is the framing issue at the heart of all of this stuff

it's actually a somewhat ironic, mysoginistic view of female gender roles by feminists

they desire equality, which is really just an ability to mimic the male gender role re: being an economic provider. they create a strawman that society only values male gender roles, and women need to engage in the very male gender roles they reject. a side product of this mypoic view is that being a SAHM is somehow inferior b/c it involves the female gender roles of the oppressive society

so basically, they reinforce the very gender roles they claim to despise

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You just justified CoCo's argument that The Women's Movement/Liberation ruined or damaged society in this country.

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I would prefer my wife to work. Based on income alone.

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this is why my wife works

but with our schedules, we only have to have our in home nanny 6 hours/day, 4 days/week, so it's not that bad

and we both have very flexible schedules/jobs so that we can leave or take off without much notice

this make it easier for us to both work

Much of this debate has to do with the way people asses their own self value.

The value of a man may be defined by society as his career, but in his own mind it is often by the perceived happiness of his wife and children. To put it crudely, Men work to f&%k, or they have careers in order to support a wife and raise children in a stable environment.

The value of a woman is defined by society as EITHER her career or her family's success. Women often define themselves based on how their peers define them (status). Women primarily define other women based on careers and socioeconomic status. They often look down on women who don't work. This leads to women who don't work to feel unfulfilled because they perceive themselves to be less valued due to their lack of career. When women do work, it's generally not for the money or because they're trying to support themselves and/or a family, it's because they desire the status that comes with the job. They value moving up in their jobs not because it means more money to spend on the family, but because it means a higher perceived status or self-assessed value. To put it crudely, women f&%k to work.

Short version: men work to f&%k while women f&%k to work. Men work to support a woman from whom he defines his self-worth. Women work to attain respect from peers from whom they define their self-worth.

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The contributions of women in maintaining the family were probably underappreciated until 1970s

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most likely. i wasn't around and only have biased historical stories (from both sides) to use

Wife loves working. We have almost identical incomes. I love to cook, she loves to wash clothes. Got a winning formula here, going on 13 years!

Man, this got really deep and philosophical. Way over my head.