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re: Do you think any American city will see its end in your lifetime?
Posted on 4/21/14 at 2:09 pm to TFS4E
Posted on 4/21/14 at 2:09 pm to TFS4E
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Relatively fair points on New Orleans but it has to be said that the levee failures are what did in New Orleans after Katrina. The city withstood the actual hurricane (albeit a cat 3 hurricane; indirect hit) fairly well.
Yeah, I agree it would take both a direct hit and a Category 5 hurricane to do in NO. If both conditions are not met, I think the city could at least come back and rebuild.
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Posted on 4/21/14 at 2:09 pm to EvrybodysAllAmerican
Pittsburgh. It was down to 300,000 pop in 2010.
Posted on 4/21/14 at 2:10 pm to Keys Open Doors
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Every new beginning comes from some other beginning's end
Posted on 4/21/14 at 2:12 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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Cleveland already
Posted on 4/21/14 at 2:12 pm to Keys Open Doors
Nola
Posted on 4/21/14 at 2:13 pm to Spaulding Smails
Detroit, Flint, MI, Youngstown, OH for starters.
Posted on 4/21/14 at 2:13 pm to Amazing Moves
Pitt has a big skyline for 300,000. I think it's more than that.
Posted on 4/21/14 at 2:14 pm to TreyAnastasio
Why does Miami always get a pass and NEVER mentioned when it comes to cat 5 hurricane threats?
They are barely above sea of level with NO LEVEE PROTECTION.
Can you imagine if category 5 Hurricane Andrew would have made landfall 20 miles further north?
They are barely above sea of level with NO LEVEE PROTECTION.
Can you imagine if category 5 Hurricane Andrew would have made landfall 20 miles further north?
Posted on 4/21/14 at 2:14 pm to wiltznucs
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I was thinking the same but not bold enough to say it.
understandable.
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A Katrina like disaster in the next 20 years will kill the city economically. No business in their right mind would invest capital in an area thats experienced such catastrophic losses. No amount of government incentives or stimulus will repair it in the short term. It may be decades before it bounced back.
You bring up a good point. I had NO listed due to the fact it's possible in in given year for a Cat 5 hurricane to develop and hit pretty much anywhere on the coast. But I did not think of the possible ramifications of another Katrina type event where the city is almost totally destroyed and how the fact it was a repeat event would effect people's decisions regarding rebuilding. I mean if you look at NO from a geography standpoint, it's the last place you want to put anything and expect it to survive a hurricane. I think there's a good chance that if another Katrina hits, especially in the next 20 or so years, what you say could happen and NO would not recover due to people not wanting to risk coming back to rebuild.
Posted on 4/21/14 at 2:16 pm to Darth_Vader
quote:To completely erase the population of NO there would have to be 1) a rerouting of the MS River, and 2) elimination of welfare
it would take both a direct hit and a Category 5 hurricane to do in NO.
Posted on 4/21/14 at 2:17 pm to Keys Open Doors
Jackson, MS
Posted on 4/21/14 at 2:21 pm to lsu480
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No shite.....the land there (Oakland) is worth a fortune!
Real estate is actually skyrocketing in Oakland right now. All the hipsters who can't afford the Mission district in San Francisco move to Oakland. I think there's also a Google ferry service taking commuters from the East Bay to Mountain View, similar to the Google buses in SF.
Posted on 4/21/14 at 2:23 pm to Darth_Vader
I always have to point out a little fact about Katrina when these discussions come up.
Throw out whatever rating scale you want to use about Katrina when it made lanfall. That bitch was pushing the largest storm surge ever to hit the U.S. EVER.
And if the stupid asses who designed(feds) the drainage system in the city wouldn't have allowed outflow canals to be wide arse open to the lake, I don't think anything upriver from the 9th ward would have flooded.
Throw out whatever rating scale you want to use about Katrina when it made lanfall. That bitch was pushing the largest storm surge ever to hit the U.S. EVER.
And if the stupid asses who designed(feds) the drainage system in the city wouldn't have allowed outflow canals to be wide arse open to the lake, I don't think anything upriver from the 9th ward would have flooded.
Posted on 4/21/14 at 2:24 pm to Paul Allen
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Pitt has a big skyline for 300,000. I think it's more than that.
Pittsburgh's population of 300,000 probably only takes the city limits into effect. I imagine the population of the metropolitan area is much larger.
Posted on 4/21/14 at 2:26 pm to Darth_Vader
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Yeah, I agree it would take both a direct hit and a Category 5 hurricane to do in NO.
Or if the Miss River ends up going where it wants to.
eta-shite, Kafka hit that point and I hadn't reached that far yet. Sorry
This post was edited on 4/21/14 at 2:28 pm
Posted on 4/21/14 at 2:26 pm to OFWHAP
Pittsburgh's peak population was 676,806 in 1950...
This post was edited on 4/21/14 at 2:27 pm
Posted on 4/21/14 at 2:36 pm to notiger1997
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I always have to point out a little fact about Katrina when these discussions come up.
Throw out whatever rating scale you want to use about Katrina when it made lanfall. That bitch was pushing the largest storm surge ever to hit the U.S. EVER.
Exactly. And it had weakened from a category 5 down to a category 3. Imagine how much bigger that storm surge could have been if the storm had not weakened before it hit. It would have been like a giant slow motion tsunami on a scale we can't really imagine.
Posted on 4/21/14 at 2:41 pm to Keys Open Doors
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Fwiw, I would think Detroit is the most likely of US cities, followed by Las Vegas and New Orleans.
I think the water limitations are going to kill Vegas and some SW cities. But I am also a petrocollapse guy and think the whole project of American suburbia will be dead in 30 years.
Detroit still has a shite ton of money and jobs here, but GM going down would/will be an interesting test case. Most of my friends work for suppliers and would be SOL.
Posted on 4/21/14 at 2:47 pm to Keys Open Doors
Assumption parish
Posted on 4/21/14 at 2:58 pm to Bunk Moreland
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But I am also a petrocollapse guy and think the whole project of American suburbia will be dead in 30 years.
Care to expand on this one?
Could they have picked a worse place to locate a city than New Orleans? It's a weather related disaster just waiting to happen. At some point, the river, the gulf, or both are going to drown it.
Detroit is as close to a man made end that we will see. Vegas is another man made disaster waiting to happen.
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