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re: Do blue collar guys think that they're inherently tough??
Posted on 8/24/14 at 10:45 pm to stout
Posted on 8/24/14 at 10:45 pm to stout
If I had to do it over again I would learn a trade. While the degree is necessary for certain jobs people strive for with the push of go to college or fail at life,many degrees are useless and never get the investment back. Somewhere having a trade got looked down on and everyone was too good for it. With so many people struggling to find jobs post college and debt you are doing yourself or children a disservice by not showing them that option and only promoting massive debt to start life
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Posted on 8/24/14 at 10:46 pm to fightingtiger2335
Where do the people who had TOPS pay for their entire tuition fall in?
Posted on 8/24/14 at 10:46 pm to fightingtiger2335
dropping knowledge bombs 
They could have had TOPS pay for trade school
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Where do the people who had TOPS pay for their entire tuition fall in?
They could have had TOPS pay for trade school
This post was edited on 8/24/14 at 10:48 pm
Posted on 8/24/14 at 10:47 pm to Ignignot
Posted on 8/24/14 at 10:49 pm to fightingtiger2335
I hear ya. Posted this not long ago about the topic
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It also hurts that many skills and professions are looked down upon nowadays. Learning a trade is looked at as being low class. Electricians, plumbers, welders, etc.
No one grows up saying yea I want to be an electrician or a welder. People qualified for these jobs are few and far between but we need them as much as ever. I know a few people with these jobs and they all make good money and can work 24/7 if they wanted to.
shite we had a thread not long ago about the demand for welders. Master welders are basically naming their price in parts of the country.
But hey let's encourage( force) everyone to go to college to get that piece of paper lol.
Posted on 8/24/14 at 10:50 pm to BACONisMEATcandy
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They could have had TOPS pay for trade school
Why not use tens of thousands of free dollars? Trade school is a lot cheaper and that degree could be obtained supplementary for not much money. Meanwhile you get a cheap 4-year degree from a solid university.
Posted on 8/24/14 at 10:50 pm to fightingtiger2335
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If I had to do it over again I would learn a trade. While the degree is necessary for certain jobs people strive for with the push of go to college or fail at life,many degrees are useless and never get the investment back. Somewhere having a trade got looked down on and everyone was too good for it. With so many people struggling to find jobs post college and debt you are doing yourself or children a disservice by not showing them that option and only promoting massive debt to start life
The problem is that you are putting a ceiling on your kid's life by encouraging trade school.
Not everyone with a college degree becomes a CEO, but you'd find it very difficult to become a CEO without one (sure, there are prominent exceptions, but these people are exceptional).
Posted on 8/24/14 at 10:52 pm to Rohan2Reed
Fwiw I'm ok with what they do, just not how they drive
Posted on 8/24/14 at 10:52 pm to TxTiger82
I wouldn't encourage trade school. I would show both options instead of pushing that there is only one option . Then let them decide what they want to do from there.
Posted on 8/24/14 at 10:52 pm to Jones
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It also hurts that many skills and professions are looked down upon nowadays. Learning a trade is looked at as being low class. Electricians, plumbers, welders, etc.
No one grows up saying yea I want to be an electrician or a welder. People qualified for these jobs are few and far between but we need them as much as ever. I know a few people with these jobs and they all make good money and can work 24/7 if they wanted to.
shite we had a thread not long ago about the demand for welders. Master welders are basically naming their price in parts of the country.
But hey let's encourage( force) everyone to go to college to get that piece of paper lol.
This is a classic case of claiming CNN.com articles as reality. There are tons of people who do not think like this. You just avoid reality to prove a point. Try to not appeal to a false authority.
Posted on 8/24/14 at 10:52 pm to Rohan2Reed
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Why not use tens of thousands of free dollars? Trade school is a lot cheaper and that degree could be obtained supplementary for not much money. Meanwhile you get a cheap 4-year degree from a solid university.
But how many of those students lost tops after one year and never got a degree?
Posted on 8/24/14 at 10:53 pm to Rohan2Reed
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Meanwhile you get a cheap 4-year degree from a solid university.
Free/cheap or not there are still tons of useless degrees. It's to a point that most degrees are useless unless it's in a specialized field like nursing, engineer,etc.
Meanwhile the people in those trade schools are usually entering the job market 2-3 years before college grads and for more money starting out
This post was edited on 8/24/14 at 10:55 pm
Posted on 8/24/14 at 10:54 pm to BACONisMEATcandy
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But how many of those students lost tops after one year and never got a degree?
No idea. And anyone who did, did so of their own volition. You can't blame the system for failures of lazy individuals.
Posted on 8/24/14 at 10:54 pm to TxTiger82
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The problem is that you are putting a ceiling on your kid's life by encouraging trade school.
No. Ceiling in what way? Salary?
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Not everyone with a college degree becomes a CEO, but you'd find it very difficult to become a CEO without one (sure, there are prominent exceptions, but these people are exceptional).
and how many people become ceo's at all? not many.
Posted on 8/24/14 at 10:54 pm to TxTiger82
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Not everyone with a college degree becomes a CEO, but you'd find it very difficult to become a CEO without one
Fantastic point.
Posted on 8/24/14 at 10:55 pm to Ignignot
quote:What did they drive over your front lawn
Fwiw I'm ok with what they do, just not how they drive
Posted on 8/24/14 at 10:55 pm to stout
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Free/cheap or not there are still tons of useless degrees. It's to a point that most degrees are useless unless it's in a specialized field like nursing, engineer,etc.
Job training is not the sole purpose of a college education.
Posted on 8/24/14 at 10:56 pm to Jones
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and how many people become ceo's at all? not many.
Sure, but do you want to tell your kid he or she can't be one? Its a powerful idea, which drives most parents to encourage college.
Posted on 8/24/14 at 10:56 pm to Ignignot
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Fwiw I'm ok with what they do, just not how they drive
Well, at least they're easy to spot and avoid. I have to drive by a plant on the way to the farm. When I exit, I can almost guarantee whether or not the person I fell in line behind is going to turn into the plant. I bet I have a 90% success rate on my predictions.
Posted on 8/24/14 at 10:56 pm to Rohan2Reed
College is a time to grow up for many, was for me, I needed that 5.5 years of undergrad and 2 years of grad school...trade school is def t he right route for many, just wasnt fir me
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