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Diversity cannot exist in a complex manufacturing plant

Posted on 1/25/24 at 2:33 am
Posted by Trevaylin
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Posted on 1/25/24 at 2:33 am
Think about it, hire an entry level class of 20 operators. They will be in all shapes and sizes, with varied educational background. Hopefully they will be screened for mechanical aptitude and are teamwork friendly. Narrowed the diversity a little bit
Upon hire, they are placed in orientation classes, that describe the do's and don't of site safety and requirements to obey. narrows diversity
With the process area assignment, they spend the next 3-4 months learning the process, what their manipulating role is, specific process procedures, lock out tag out, emergency procedures etc. All work is a process, having every one doing the job the same way is the goal. narrows diversity.
the next 6 months operator is assigned to follow an experienced trainer/operator to learn the finer details. Wrenches to use, physical positioning, logging of data, minor maintenance, product safety etc . All training to assure that person follows best practices. narrows diversity.
A company will take up to two years to train new people before being fully qualified. It's all done to have the individual knowingly utilize the job standards...narrows diversity.

In the 1990 period " team work" and "all Work Is A Process". was the understood way to achieve industry excellence. it worked.

Today's diversity mantra , is destructive to performance minded companies. The only work activity where role diversity could play any role is that of a brain storming mtg. with folks from different functions We used to call that facilitation .

Diversity can not exist
Posted by GeauxLSUGeaux
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Posted on 1/25/24 at 2:36 am to
Posted by AcadieAnne
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Posted on 1/25/24 at 3:10 am to
That’s why TPTB are pushing it so hard. You can not force someone who does not give a shite to give a shite. So you have to take sub-par candidates to meet the diversity quota. Who benefits from the intentional decline in US productivity?
Ain’t ESG scores grand?
Posted by Solo Cam
Member since Sep 2015
32628 posts
Posted on 1/25/24 at 3:17 am to
lol they put a fricking crazy person in charge of nuclear waste because he liked to tuck his dick and pretend he was a girl. Know why?

For diversity

But you think they'll stop at plants? Lll ok man
Posted by auggie
Opelika, Alabama
Member since Aug 2013
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Posted on 1/25/24 at 3:26 am to
It's called Statistical Process Control and it's like religion in Japanese manufacturing, even though it was invented by an American.
Japan doesn't have to deal with most of the social and political issues that U.S. manufacturing does.
Lucky them.
Posted by Gee Grenouille
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Member since Jul 2018
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Posted on 1/25/24 at 5:14 am to
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hire an entry level class of 20 operators. They will be in all shapes and sizes, with varied educational background.


Do you even Mamou bro? Which proves your point.
Posted by Dandy Chiggins
Member since Jan 2021
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Posted on 1/25/24 at 5:21 am to
It’s also why they have extremely clean and safe big cities. Unlike here. Where you know who ruins them.
Posted by AwgustaDawg
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Posted on 1/25/24 at 5:45 am to
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Diversity can not exist



Other than the fact that diversity does indeed exist you would be 100% correct that diversity can't exist. In your scenario there are ALWAYS going to be differences (diversity) among individuals. They will handle stress differently. They will make decisions in different ways. They will take it information in different ways and they will process information differently. There will a wide margin of buy in based on individual experience. Identical machines designed and built to the exact specifications using the same materials operating in identical environments and performing identical tasks will perform differently. Diversity is a fact of life. Developing processes that mitigate risk as you describe is at its foundation necessary because diversity exists in people and machines. Diversity certainly exists in the most complex manufacturing facility, thus the need to control processes.

Every human being breaths. There is no diversity in the requirement that we breath. Everyone does it differently, there is diversity in the way people breath. Its an established process that every one buys into without thinking....yet the manner in which we achieve it is as varied as individuals are. There is no diversity in processes in a complex environment, there are as many ways to complete those processes as there are people, the same as the most complex yet basic process humans undertake, breathing.
Posted by Havoc
Member since Nov 2015
28210 posts
Posted on 1/25/24 at 5:56 am to
Going out in a limb here, but I think OP is talking about racial, gender, or sexual diversity (or whatever other categories the fricking DEI uses).
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 1/25/24 at 5:57 am to
Shut the frick up you idiot.
Posted by Norbert
Member since Oct 2018
3137 posts
Posted on 1/25/24 at 6:23 am to
Robots are the least diverse of all
Posted by White Bear
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Posted on 1/25/24 at 6:32 am to
Which is one reason it’s forced.
Posted by madmaxvol
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Posted on 1/25/24 at 6:38 am to
I worked for a company that had its largest plant in Des Moines, Iowa. The plant went on strike in the late '90s...so the management hired immigrants from Eastern Europe and Africa who were placed by the Catholic Church in the area. These were people who spoke very little English.

In the first 2 months, production was horrible and quality was the worst. After about 3-4 months, their production was higher and quality better than the Union workforce that had been operating the plant for the prior 25 years. It was over a year before the strike was settled...then they cast out the replacement workers and went back to their mediocre production performance.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 1/25/24 at 6:42 am to
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Other than the fact that diversity does indeed exist you would be 100% correct that diversity can't exist.



Racial, ethnic, gender "diversity" in the workplace is worthless. In fact, is a hinderance to most.

The only diversity that matters is ideas. If you think races have different ideas, then youre probably racist.
Posted by madmaxvol
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Posted on 1/25/24 at 6:42 am to
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It's called Statistical Process Control and it's like religion in Japanese manufacturing, even though it was invented by an American.
Japan doesn't have to deal with most of the social and political issues that U.S. manufacturing does.
Lucky them.



Schewart came up with the concept, Demming took it to the Japanese...but they were the ones who fully embraced process control and streamlining into their overall manufacturing culture. I've seen it work in US plants...but it is rare. Most give it lip service for a few years by half-assing implementation, then they give up saying that it isn't worth the effort.
Posted by AlextheBodacious
Member since Oct 2020
1465 posts
Posted on 1/25/24 at 6:53 am to
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They will be in all shapes and sizes, with varied educational background.

This seems believable. I don’t think it should be a requirement that you’re short, fat, and barely literate to qualify for the Plant Baw life.
Posted by Kirby59
Rocket City
Member since Nov 2016
697 posts
Posted on 1/25/24 at 7:26 am to
I was a supervisor in a Japanese polymer plant in the mid 90’s. We enrolled a large demographic cross section of prospective employees into a training program for operators with the initial understanding they would have to meet minimum standards for understanding basic plant operations and even 5th grade math. After a few weeks, it became very apparent that the majority of the folks were not going to meet the standards except for the white males.

Our management came in and said we would waive the standards and would have to hire from the group. In addition, we would have to hire to match the community demographics (40% female, 20 % black). Another area of the plant got first choice and picked the best of the class. I was stuck picking the rest.

I was forced to pick a woman that had worked for 20 years cutting hair and decided she wanted to be a chemical plant operator. I had to pair her with my best operator to keep the line running. I soon found out she was spending more time socializing (like the beauty shop) than working. I had to have several counseling sessions, but it was never going to work. Our HR wouldn’t let me fire her.

The problem took care of itself when she started fooling around with a married man outside of work (she was divorced with two teenagers) and the guy wouldn’t leave his wife for her. When she didn’t show up for the start of a plant shutdown, someone called her ex to go check on her. He found her in bed with a 44 to the chest. Sad for her family.

I don’t know if things would have been different if she would have stayed cutting hair. She had no business working in a chemical plant that’s for sure.
Posted by Saint Alfonzo
Member since Jan 2019
22150 posts
Posted on 1/25/24 at 7:31 am to
I don't know what the OP is going on about. I worked in manufacturing for a decade. Diversity was never an issue. It was a pretty mixed bunch of employees. No one gave a shite.
Posted by hogminer
Bella Vista, AR.
Member since Apr 2010
9626 posts
Posted on 1/25/24 at 7:37 am to
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Every human being breaths. There is no diversity in the requirement that we breath.


I'm normally not a grammar nazi but this one bothers me.

Please correct your work and you will still get half-credit.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
260056 posts
Posted on 1/25/24 at 7:46 am to
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I don't know what the OP is going on about. I worked in manufacturing for a decade. Diversity was never an issue. It was a pretty mixed bunch of employees. No one gave a shite.


I have never considered race to be diverse. Culture, sure....not race.
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