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re: Denver HS students walk out of class to protest Ferguson
Posted on 12/3/14 at 4:12 pm to chinhoyang
Posted on 12/3/14 at 4:12 pm to chinhoyang
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A bunch of high school students who are clueless protest, and some cops get struck by a car.
the cop was on a bike, and hit by a non protester that was speeding. It had nothing to do with the protests.
I actually just went to the gym, as I live about 4 blocks from the high school. Some local kids were in there discussing the walkout. They were really excited about it, and I used it as a chance to tell them to get civically involved, and not just do this once and let it be.
Yeah, I am a fricking nerd, but the manager of the gym echoed my comments.
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Posted on 12/3/14 at 4:19 pm to Hawkeye95
Perhaps you did this, but people way too often skip to the glories of "getting involved" or "having an opinion."
Tell those kids to go to fricking school, work hard, learn everything they can, and then assess these issues in depth and decide for themselves how they feel about what happened in Ferguson. Then they can form a strong opinion and get involved.
One of our biggest problems in the information age is that everyone can access the conclusion and nobody gives a shite about finding out where it came from. All opinions, no knowledge. Hell, the entire college liberal arts experience reinforces this.
Tell those kids to go to fricking school, work hard, learn everything they can, and then assess these issues in depth and decide for themselves how they feel about what happened in Ferguson. Then they can form a strong opinion and get involved.
One of our biggest problems in the information age is that everyone can access the conclusion and nobody gives a shite about finding out where it came from. All opinions, no knowledge. Hell, the entire college liberal arts experience reinforces this.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 4:19 pm to Hawkeye95
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the cop was on a bike, and hit by a non protester that was speeding. It had nothing to do with the protests.
Would the cop have been there on a bike if they weren't "protesting"?
Posted on 12/3/14 at 4:21 pm to BeYou
He should hould quit school altogether in solidarity with his Ferguson peeps. School can't fix stupid anyway.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 4:23 pm to Pettifogger
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Perhaps you did this, but people way too often skip to the glories of "getting involved" or "having an opinion."
Tell those kids to go to fricking school, work hard, learn everything they can, and then assess these issues in depth and decide for themselves how they feel about what happened in Ferguson. Then they can form a strong opinion and get involved.
One of our biggest problems in the information age is that everyone can access the conclusion and nobody gives a shite about finding out where it came from. All opinions, no knowledge. Hell, the entire college liberal arts experience reinforces this.
I nominate this for POST OF THE YEAR
Posted on 12/3/14 at 4:23 pm to Pettifogger
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Perhaps you did this, but people way too often skip to the glories of "getting involved" or "having an opinion."
Tell those kids to go to fricking school, work hard, learn everything they can, and then assess these issues in depth and decide for themselves how they feel about what happened in Ferguson. Then they can form a strong opinion and get involved.
the one kid i talked to in depth was clearly a good egg. She had an afterschool job. I have interacted with her before and she is quite nice, respectful, and I think she has a bright future ahead of her (as much as you can tell this from brief interaction).
We discussed protesting, and how that its not enough to just march once. You have to work to make society better, and get involved in politics.
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Then they can form a strong opinion and get involved.
I think getting involved is the important part. We need more civic engagement from young and old. Yes they should be informed, but getting involved is the first step IMHO.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 4:24 pm to hawkster
They should suspend every last one of them for a few weeks.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 4:24 pm to lsu480
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Would the cop have been there on a bike if they weren't "protesting"?
At that exact spot, probably not. But bike cops are pretty common in denver, especially around downtown. its much easier to get around on a bike vs. a car.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 4:30 pm to BeYou
This is why I'm a fan of private schools. Private school I went to had kids walk out of class in protest of the football program getting a new field house instead of the band hall being renovated. It was 9 weeks test day when they decided to do it and each of those dumbasses got a 0 on the test.
Their parents complained but nothing changed.
Their parents complained but nothing changed.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 4:32 pm to Hawkeye95
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I think getting involved is the important part. We need more civic engagement from young and old. Yes they should be informed, but getting involved is the first step IMHO.
It depends on what we're talking about. I think knowledge and being informed is the first step when the involvement is a polarized issue, like Ferguson. These kids walked out of school and may (probably not) face consequences for that. Either way, they made a political/racial/social statement and may or may not know the fullness of what that statement was.
If we're talking about student government or some other potentially neutral area where one learns responsibility or getting involved in charitable civic activities, etc., then I agree that involvement in and of itself is a great thing.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 4:32 pm to BeYou
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“I am here today to protest against the law, the police and any law out there because of the crime that they’ve been doing. They’re here to serve and protect us but the law is here to serve for us and they’re here to protect but how are we going to say, how are they going to shoot an innocent man over nothing,” said protester Daniel Chavez. “I don’t know for sure that he was innocent but that’s why I’m out here protesting, ‘Don’t Shoot!’ you know what I mean?”
At that point I'd place my hand on Daniel's shoulder, lean in close and tell him. "Hate to break this to you kid, But you're a fricking idiot. Now get your arse back in class".
Posted on 12/3/14 at 4:35 pm to Hawkeye95
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They were really excited about it, and I used it as a chance to tell them to get civically involved, and not just do this once and let it be.
Yeah, I am a fricking nerd, but the manager of the gym echoed my comments.
If you really cared about their future you'd explain to them how stupid they are full falling for this Micheal Brown horseshite.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 4:37 pm to Hawkeye95
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We need more civic engagement from young and old. Yes they should be informed, but getting involved is the first step IMHO.
No. Being informed is the first step. This stupid protest by these HS kids is a prime example of what happens when uninformed people become "involved".
Posted on 12/3/14 at 4:39 pm to Pettifogger
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It depends on what we're talking about. I think knowledge and being informed is the first step when the involvement is a polarized issue, like Ferguson.
if you actually get involved in something like that you are going to get an education. Fast. Now, it will be slanted and that is problematic but you aren't going to get critical reasoning skills sitting on your couch watching 16 and pregnant. You get it from experiences like this.
This is how we create leaders IMHO.
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These kids walked out of school and may (probably not) face consequences for that. Either way, they made a political/racial/social statement and may or may not know the fullness of what that statement was.
Oh I doubt that the kids realized what they were doing but that is ok IMHO. You get that perspective as you gain experience. And hopefully the teachers use it as a civics lesson.
Since 1000+ kids walked out, there will be no punishment.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 4:44 pm to BeYou
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Daniel Chavez.
I'm not sure this kids English teacher could legitimize he's absence?
Posted on 12/3/14 at 4:48 pm to Hawkeye95
My problem with that is that they're probably letting some characteristic they don't have control over (race, in this instance) determine their position on controversial issues.
My hypo would be:
Ok, you're a black kid at the HS. You participate in the walkout because you're black and the other kids are doing it. You're involved now. So yeah, you'll get "informed" by other people in the movement. Assuming that information takes with you, you're now part of a racial movement not because you experienced racism and felt the sting of being black in white America, but because you happened to be a black kid at school on the day the black kids staged a protest.
Just doesn't seem beneficial to me.
My hypo would be:
Ok, you're a black kid at the HS. You participate in the walkout because you're black and the other kids are doing it. You're involved now. So yeah, you'll get "informed" by other people in the movement. Assuming that information takes with you, you're now part of a racial movement not because you experienced racism and felt the sting of being black in white America, but because you happened to be a black kid at school on the day the black kids staged a protest.
Just doesn't seem beneficial to me.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 4:51 pm to Pettifogger
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My problem with that is that they're probably letting some characteristic they don't have control over (race, in this instance) determine their position on controversial issues.
My hypo would be:
Ok, you're a black kid at the HS. You participate in the walkout because you're black and the other kids are doing it. You're involved now. So yeah, you'll get "informed" by other people in the movement. Assuming that information takes with you, you're now part of a racial movement not because you experienced racism and felt the sting of being black in white America, but because you happened to be a black kid at school on the day the black kids staged a protest.
Just doesn't seem beneficial to me.
If you are a black teen, you probably are on MBs side simply due to your parents, friends, and community. While race is definitely a contributing factor, I doubt there were many black teens who formed a definitive opinion on this based on this one protest.
And you also have to remember: Denver. While the school probably has more blacks than other schools in denver, reality is denver overall is 5% black. Most of those kids protesting were white.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 4:59 pm to ColoradoAg03
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And someone drove into 4 bike cops, dragging one 25 yards. He's in critical condition at the hospital.
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right, the car was speeding, went across to the other side of the road and hit 4 cops. when a car does that, there is likely going to be problems regardless of protest or not. Could have been much worse
Posted on 12/3/14 at 5:24 pm to BeYou
And this is our country's future 
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