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re: Cruel confinement in Alabama prisons
Posted on 6/11/14 at 2:28 pm to CaptainPanic
Posted on 6/11/14 at 2:28 pm to CaptainPanic
quote:I'm of two minds here.
How much should tax payers pay to keep felons healthy when they are poison to society. How many rights should a prisoner have? I agree with not tending to basic health concerns but prison isn't supposed to be a walk in the park.
1)Prisons SHOULD suck. If you ever are in one and then get released, it should've sucked so bad that you'd rather cut your dick off than rape again. Shoot yourself than murder again. Etc.
BUT
2)We put too fricking many people in prison for lame assed shite.
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Posted on 6/11/14 at 2:28 pm to ShortyRob
quote:Absolutely
We put too fricking many people in prison for lame assed shite.
Posted on 6/11/14 at 2:31 pm to CaptainPanic
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Don't you think if you went through something like that you would not take freedom for granted once it was given back to you?
Prison/cruel treatment is an incredibly ineffective way to get people to turn it around.
Yes there are plenty of rapist and killers who are in jail, who its not about rehab. At the same time there are plenty of people who were young and dumb and could use this time to be constructive and be a functioning part of society when they leave.
Posted on 6/11/14 at 2:32 pm to CaptainPanic
maybe we should cut off hands like they do in the peaceful middle east
Posted on 6/11/14 at 2:33 pm to barry
quote:What is your alternative?
Prison/cruel treatment is an incredibly ineffective way to get people to turn it around.
Posted on 6/11/14 at 2:33 pm to CaptainPanic
Is this the thread where the tough on crime crowd comes out to voice their approval of the harsh, punitive system of the most advanced nation ever?
You know, the one with the most prisoners in the history of modern civilization in a country where property and violent crime has been dropping for years? The one with almost a million employees and a domestic economic output approaching $100 billion?
You know, the one with the most prisoners in the history of modern civilization in a country where property and violent crime has been dropping for years? The one with almost a million employees and a domestic economic output approaching $100 billion?
Posted on 6/11/14 at 2:34 pm to CaptainPanic
Being confined in Alabama is cruel enough.
Posted on 6/11/14 at 2:34 pm to CaptainPanic
What if one person goes to jail over a misdemeanor offense and is in lockup over the weekend. Your cell mate has TB, this fact was known by authorities, and they knowingly declined to give him medical care and shove you in a cell with him. You contract TB. Welp, derpy derp, you shouldn't have driven with that expired tag or had that second beer before getting behind the wheel, derp derp.
Posted on 6/11/14 at 2:34 pm to dnm3305
quote:
and its just inhumane
quote:
as it should be
The Constitution of the United States says otherwise.
Posted on 6/11/14 at 2:36 pm to Jim Rockford
quote:Clearly the constitution doesn't mean much these days
The Constitution of the United States says otherwise.
Posted on 6/11/14 at 2:39 pm to CaptainPanic
quote:
What is your alternative?
I think for non serial offenders there should be a much more proactive for of rehabilitation. I mean I don't have a 300 page dissertation on how to fix the prison system, but it sure sucks compared to the rest of the 1st world countries.
People can talk about having "cush" prisons, but losing out on YEARS of your life, no matter the condition is really really hard. Having good conditions doesn't make prison easy by any stretch.
Posted on 6/11/14 at 2:40 pm to deNYEd
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frick em
Posted on 6/11/14 at 2:42 pm to Boudreaux35
quote:
I don't care. Stay out of trouble and you won't have to worry about this happening to you. These people made a choice to do what they did to be in there.
This
Posted on 6/11/14 at 2:44 pm to Swifty
quote:agreed. that article sickens me. I think what if one of my brothers or some other relative got wrongfully or even correctly convicted of a non violent type of felony. I would be physically sickened thinking of them or any one really being treated like that.
Considering the high number of non-violent offenders that we lock up... I would say that we should provide for basic sanitation and healthcare.
quote:Same could be said of Louisiana. (and I'm a Louisiana native). I wonder if the same conditions exist in Louisiana and Mississippi.
Then again... Alabama is kind of a 3rd world country.
Posted on 6/11/14 at 2:44 pm to TIGRLEE
frick em crowd.
Do you enjoy the volume of waste these systems create? I bet you guys love paying taxes to support the $30,000 a year it takes to lock one of the dregs up.
It's a damn good thing nobody has been bitching about taxes and poorly funded infrastructure lately.
Do you enjoy the volume of waste these systems create? I bet you guys love paying taxes to support the $30,000 a year it takes to lock one of the dregs up.
It's a damn good thing nobody has been bitching about taxes and poorly funded infrastructure lately.
Posted on 6/11/14 at 2:44 pm to hardhead
quote:
2)We put too fricking many people in prison for lame assed shite
This, if a 19 year old kid is put in for selling dime bags then I expect the state to give him decent medical care and sanitary conditions. We are not some third world country we are the leaders of the free world and have a different standard. There punishment is having there freedom taken away for something that 30% of the country thinks is probably ok.
Now, when we start talking about people that murder, rape, or commit violent crimes, I begin to give less of a shite how they are treated.
Watching sixty minutes the other day its time to bring back the state sponsored mental asylums. One of the biggest issues with the prison system in the usa today is they have become a dumping ground for people that really should be in an insane asylum rather then prison. This causes a ton of issues in the prison system.
Heres my solution.
Drug offenders and non violent go to tailored rehab programs and work training programs. Hell they can be put on construction crews for all I care and start re building our crumbling infrastructure around this county. Point is they need to be working not sitting around all day.
Violent criminals go to prison and are kept isolated as much as possible.
Insane people go back to the insane asylum system
This post was edited on 6/11/14 at 2:52 pm
Posted on 6/11/14 at 2:44 pm to CaptainPanic
quote:
Without New Orleans, Louisiana would be Mississippi West
This might be the dumbest fricking thing I've ever read.
The culture in Louisiana west of the Mississippi river is so vastly different from that of the state of Mississippi it's not even comparable.
Posted on 6/11/14 at 2:44 pm to barry
The philosophy behind prisons today is more about containment than it is rehabilitation.
Posted on 6/11/14 at 2:47 pm to ShortyRob
quote:
We put too fricking many people in prison for lame assed shite.
Not really.
With prison overcrowding the way it is, just about all prisoners are multiple or violent offenders.
Not saying that there aren't a few potheads in there, but they are the exception, not the rule.
Build more jails, lock more of 'em up.
"Crime is falling and I like it."- America
Posted on 6/11/14 at 2:50 pm to loopback
quote:I really love with people refer to swamp trash as "culture"
The culture in Louisiana west of the Mississippi river is so vastly different from that of the state of Mississippi it's not even comparable.
All of the good parts of west LA can be found in New Orleans which goes back to my previous statement. Without New Orleans, Louisiana is the same as the rest of the Gulf Coast for the most part
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