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re: Could you ever be forced into a confession?
Posted on 10/5/16 at 3:49 pm to Breauxsif
Posted on 10/5/16 at 3:49 pm to Breauxsif
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it amazes how dumb TPOS really are. They're getting question by the police regarding a murder and still talk without counsel.
It is not an intelligence issue. It is a mental stress/pressure issue. Most people are not wired to kill. Having said that, being stupid.....well, low hanging fruit and all.
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Posted on 10/5/16 at 3:53 pm to ClientNumber9
Haha, most on here would fall apart like a cheap meatloaf.
Posted on 10/5/16 at 4:11 pm to ClientNumber9
Couple of videos that are worth watching. Pretty long, so not many will watch them, but you should. The first is a professor who explains why you should never talk to the police, and how police can twist things even innocent people say into damning evidence. LINK
The second is the confession of Russell Willams, A Canadian Air Force officer who was convicted of killing two women. The detective gets him to voluntarily admit to the murders just by talking to him. No coercion, no tricks, just talking. Williams was a very smart, very capable, very sophisticated guy, and he was putty in the hands of a skilled interrogator. This guy got what he deserved, but it illustrates that if you are in an interview room, you are a target, and everything they say and do is designed to get you to admit damaging information about yourself. And they are very good at what they do. LINK
The second is the confession of Russell Willams, A Canadian Air Force officer who was convicted of killing two women. The detective gets him to voluntarily admit to the murders just by talking to him. No coercion, no tricks, just talking. Williams was a very smart, very capable, very sophisticated guy, and he was putty in the hands of a skilled interrogator. This guy got what he deserved, but it illustrates that if you are in an interview room, you are a target, and everything they say and do is designed to get you to admit damaging information about yourself. And they are very good at what they do. LINK
This post was edited on 10/5/16 at 4:42 pm
Posted on 10/5/16 at 4:20 pm to Jim Rockford
I've watched First 48 enough to know the only thing I am saying is
"I want a lawyer."
Police "Hello bird how are you this morning."
Me "I want a lawyer."
"I want a lawyer."
Police "Hello bird how are you this morning."
Me "I want a lawyer."
Posted on 10/5/16 at 4:23 pm to bird35
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I've watched First 48 enough to know the only thing I am saying is "I want a lawyer."
That show is interesting in the fact that it shows you how much those detectives bluff
Posted on 10/5/16 at 4:30 pm to Hester Carries
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I was part of a situation that makes me think its possible.
Yep. Anyone who has been in that situation, guilty or not, has an entirely different perspective from people who are just speculating. It's pretty eye-opening. Maybe my life's single most eye-opening experience.
Y'all think you aren't susceptible to their Jedi mind tricks, but you are.
Posted on 10/5/16 at 4:32 pm to Jim Rockford
Wow. Really eye-opening stuff. Both of your links go to the same video- the professor discussing why you shouldn't talk to the police. I'd like to see the video of the Canadian Air Force officer though. Can you post that link?
Posted on 10/5/16 at 4:42 pm to ClientNumber9
Sorry, link fixed now.
Posted on 10/5/16 at 5:10 pm to tigersownall
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Could you ever be forced into a confession? by tigersownall
Like some Spanish Inquisition shite. No. I'd die.
No you'd confess to Torquemada in minutes.
Posted on 10/5/16 at 5:47 pm to upgrayedd
Water boarding would make you talk. No matter how bad or tough you think you are, at some point, you will talk
Posted on 10/5/16 at 6:03 pm to ClientNumber9
I said after I went through a fraternity initiation over 40 years ago that I believe if I was a POW and had to go through worse than what I went through for three days, that I would provide the enemy EVERYTHING they wanted.
Posted on 10/5/16 at 6:05 pm to LC412000
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I said after I went through a fraternity initiation over 40 years ago that I believe if I was a POW and had to go through worse than what I went through for three days, that I would provide the enemy EVERYTHING they wanted.
Whether it's truthful or not. That's the problem with torture as a means of obtaining useful intel. The victim will say literally anything to make it stop.
Posted on 10/5/16 at 6:17 pm to Jim Rockford
I'd even give up my parents, kids, wife, checking/savings account numbers to get it to finish. Hell, do a sheep....no problem, bring a whole flock of those SOBs out here, just fricking leave me alone
Posted on 10/5/16 at 6:49 pm to MLSter
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Brendan Dassey yes
How anyone could watch his "confession" and still convict him is beyond me ... and is exactly why if I'm ever on trial for something crazy that I didn't do, I'm demanding a bench-trial.
Posted on 10/5/16 at 6:54 pm to LC412000
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I said after I went through a fraternity initiation over 40 years ago that I believe if I was a POW and had to go through worse than what I went through for three days, that I would provide the enemy EVERYTHING they wanted.
US law grants immunity from prosecution for any secrets revealed after 72 hours in captivity for this very reason.
Posted on 10/5/16 at 7:07 pm to ReauxlTide222
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Never talk to a fricking cop.
This. If you've just been accused of a crime, the police are NEVER on your side. Thinking you can just clear things up and get out quickly is what does a lot of people in.
Posted on 10/5/16 at 7:11 pm to Cooter Davenport
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Y'all think you aren't susceptible to their Jedi mind tricks, but you are.
Posted on 10/5/16 at 7:53 pm to Fat and Happy
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Water boarding would make you talk. No matter how bad or tough you think you are, at some point, you will talk
You obviously didn't read the OP
Posted on 10/5/16 at 9:27 pm to RogerTheShrubber
That's why you envoke your right to remain silent. (5th Amendmant) and immediately request counsel. Under any and all circumstances, you never, and I repeat never, talk to the Police, especially if you know you're innocent and the cops are playing games. Most Cops are sociopaths, especially detectives who want a conviction and will stop at nothing to get one. Their main cause is to compile enough evidence against the person "they think" is guilty and let the court system handle the process from that point, moving forward. I don't know about you, but I'd have better results at a Craps table in Vegas than to trust my freedom with some dumbass, uneducated jury.
Are there innocent people behind bars because of some a-hole detective, that built enough "circumstantial" evidence against someone who decided to speak with them in the first place without adequate legal representation? There sure are, and facts to substantiate this.
Bottom line, if the cops wanted to speak with me about a crime I knew damn-well I wasn't a part of, I wouldn't speak with them and evoke my 5th Amendment right to remain silent. I would consult with an Attorney with the quickness.
Are there innocent people behind bars because of some a-hole detective, that built enough "circumstantial" evidence against someone who decided to speak with them in the first place without adequate legal representation? There sure are, and facts to substantiate this.
Bottom line, if the cops wanted to speak with me about a crime I knew damn-well I wasn't a part of, I wouldn't speak with them and evoke my 5th Amendment right to remain silent. I would consult with an Attorney with the quickness.
This post was edited on 10/5/16 at 11:24 pm
Posted on 10/5/16 at 9:33 pm to ClientNumber9
30 seconds with a blowtorch and I will make anyone on this board confess to anything I want. 
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