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Cop shoots assailant and the grandfather who was being attacked by assailant
Posted on 12/2/22 at 12:22 am
Posted on 12/2/22 at 12:22 am
What’s your take on this?
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My take: the cop was overzealous and didn’t use proper training to deescalate the situation. Now two are dead. Not to mention, why the heck didn’t the cops separate them??!
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Joliet, Illinois — On Nov 6, 2021, at approximately 4:00 PM, members of the Will County Sheriff’s Office were dispatched to 300 Middletree Road in Joliet Township for a domestic disturbance involving a grandfather and grandson, whereas the grandson was armed with a knife. Upon deputies arriving on scene they observed 21-year-old Jabbar Muhammad holding a knife in a threatening manner near his grandfather. The deputies ordered Jabbar numerous times to put the knife down, which he refused to do.
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My take: the cop was overzealous and didn’t use proper training to deescalate the situation. Now two are dead. Not to mention, why the heck didn’t the cops separate them??!
This post was edited on 12/2/22 at 12:23 am
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Posted on 12/2/22 at 2:08 am to idlewatcher
I didn't see the cops do anything wrong. The young man attacked and killed his grandfather. They couldn't have killed him before the attack. Unfortunate.
Posted on 12/2/22 at 5:36 am to idlewatcher
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My take: the cop was overzealous and didn’t use proper training to deescalate the situation.
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Not to mention, why the heck didn’t the cops separate them??!
Had they tried to separate them, that might have been the escalation that triggered an attack. Had they just shot him for holding the knife and standing there, there’d be a lot more criticism. Once he stabbed his grandfather in the throat, shooting him was all they could do to try to stop the attack. It’s not always going to be possible to avoid a friendly fire or a through and through into the victim when they’re right next to each other.
Stabs to the throat were very likely to kill him even without the shots. Has the coroner ruled that the stab wounds would likely not have killed him? Cops would not have been required to risk their own lives to go hands on to try to wrestle the knife away. They can either shoot and try to end the attack or wait and let the attack continue. Grandfather the unfortunate victim either way.
Posted on 12/2/22 at 5:42 am to idlewatcher
Posted on 12/2/22 at 6:03 am to idlewatcher
Shoot was fine. Tragic scenario all around.
Posted on 12/2/22 at 6:17 am to idlewatcher
It sucks but at that moment, the officer had to take the shot. The guy moved in quickly towards the grandfather with a knife in his hand.
This is that situation where there really is no good answer. 1000 men could get out in this same exact situation and it ends poorly. 1 random person might make some insanely lucky shot and hit the guys arms causing him to drop the knife but past that, this situation goes poorly no matter the action taken.
I’m serious when i say this, if there is a guy holding a knife by me and threatening me and officers and the guy lunges at me, take the shot. Don’t let the guy stab me because you are afraid you might hit me.
Tazing the guy still gets me stabbed multiple times before the taser can actually take affect.
This is that situation where there really is no good answer. 1000 men could get out in this same exact situation and it ends poorly. 1 random person might make some insanely lucky shot and hit the guys arms causing him to drop the knife but past that, this situation goes poorly no matter the action taken.
I’m serious when i say this, if there is a guy holding a knife by me and threatening me and officers and the guy lunges at me, take the shot. Don’t let the guy stab me because you are afraid you might hit me.
Tazing the guy still gets me stabbed multiple times before the taser can actually take affect.
Posted on 12/2/22 at 6:33 am to idlewatcher
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My take: the cop was overzealous and didn’t use proper training to deescalate the situation. Now two are dead. Not to mention, why the heck didn’t the cops separate them??!
"DEESCALATE!" This was one of the dumbest things to come out of the whole BLM summer of love. They throw that word around like it's some magic Easy Button for every situation. "Oh, we'll just De-Escalate and it will be fine." Sometimes you can talk people down AND sometimes a person is a homicidal maniac and they need to be shot. You can't deescalate every situation and this was one of those.
Posted on 12/2/22 at 6:37 am to jbgleason
Why don’t the criminals ever have to deescalate?
Posted on 12/2/22 at 6:55 am to idlewatcher
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21-year-old Jabbar Muhammad
The cop was obviously racist.
Posted on 12/2/22 at 7:34 am to idlewatcher
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My take: the cop was overzealous and didn’t use proper training to deescalate the situation.
Have you ever done it live, or is this sterile conjecture?
Posted on 12/2/22 at 8:13 am to idlewatcher
The real tragedy is that an Eldred Wells(Grandfather) has a descendant named Jabbar Muhammad.
Posted on 12/2/22 at 8:21 am to rickyh
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I didn't see the cops do anything wrong. The young man attacked and killed his grandfather. They couldn't have killed him before the attack. Unfortunate.
The kid didn’t kill the grand father….the cops did. You can hear the cop say “he has multiple gunshots, starting CPR”. They didn’t have a good angle and shot both.
This post was edited on 12/2/22 at 9:11 am
Posted on 12/2/22 at 8:23 am to Barbellthor
Shoot-ing was fine but they unloaded on him in close vicinity negligently, killing the grandpa. He did knife him but likely wasn’t enough to kill
Posted on 12/2/22 at 8:56 am to Proximo
Idk. Seconds after the neck stab, with all the hectic commotion, you could immediately see a substantial amount of blood already on the floor.
Plus, they're trained to shoot to kill if they're gonna shoot, and because as was the case here even with a clip or two in him, he was still moving and could be a threat to anyone. Just not much else they could do.
Plus, they're trained to shoot to kill if they're gonna shoot, and because as was the case here even with a clip or two in him, he was still moving and could be a threat to anyone. Just not much else they could do.
Posted on 12/2/22 at 9:10 am to Proximo
Were they supposed to let him "knife" him until it was enough to kill grandpa before they could shoot? He was on the ground still trying to kill the grandfather if you didn't notice...
Posted on 12/2/22 at 10:39 am to idlewatcher
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Jabbar Muhammad
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Jabbar
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armed with a knife
JABB-er...
Posted on 12/2/22 at 11:10 am to idlewatcher
At 1:14 mark the grandfather closed the gap between he and his grandson.
If he doesn't do that he's still alive imo.
Terrible situation.
If he doesn't do that he's still alive imo.
Terrible situation.
Posted on 12/2/22 at 11:45 am to idlewatcher
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My take: the cop was overzealous and didn’t use proper training to deescalate the situation. Now two are dead. Not to mention, why the heck didn’t the cops separate them??
My take, you have no idea what you are talking about.
Those deputies did it exactly right, the kid lunged at the old man with a bladed weapon after being given a lawful order to put the knife down. Deadly force is always appropriate when it is used to save the life on an officer or a third-party.
Grand paw was just unlucky and caught a stray.
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