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re: Civil War time travel question/debate
Posted on 3/31/14 at 8:51 am to LasVegasTiger
Posted on 3/31/14 at 8:51 am to LasVegasTiger
I'd say yes.. If it's not some random drop in where they can't be discovered.. They would need to train and innovate weapons eg; Gatling gun and rifle repeaters early in the war. They could sit back with sniper rifles and plunk off the officers while their troops mowed them down with new technology.
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Posted on 3/31/14 at 8:53 am to PhiTiger1764
If the Seals were fighting with the Confederates. They could be used to help bust the blockades, spread fear, the South could have continued to be resupplied. Gaining victories would have increased European support. Simply put Seals fighting with the South GAME CHANGER.
Posted on 3/31/14 at 8:54 am to PhiTiger1764
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I kind of looked at it as 100 vs. a few thousand or so at a time.
Let's say you replace either the union or confederate army at Antietam with is force of SEALS. They'd be facing either 75,500 union solders with 20 artillery batteries in support or almost 40,000 confederates with 25 artillery batteries in support.
Once again, I'll point out that yes the seals will make them bleed, but the shear weight of artillery fire that could be brought down on the seals all at once would by itself wipe them out within minutes.
Posted on 3/31/14 at 8:57 am to Swoopin
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Am I going to have to be the first person to say no?
You need to elaborate on what kind of equipment they have. If it's just infantry weaponry (assault rifles, machine guns, snipers, explosives) there's no way they'd win.
If you're talking helicopters and airsupport, you obviously have a different conversation. (or, really, no conversation at all)
Wow, just wow!
If you would take the time to THINK, the terrain was very different then, and settlements and even homes were further spread apart in those times.
10 US Navy SEALS with unlimited ammo would definitely win for whatever side they chose. 100 well supplied US Navy SEALS would definitely win for whatever side they chose.
The presence of most Special Forces is detected by the explosions and sudden Oh Shite of massive amounts of gunfire, while US Navy SEALS presence is detected when someone finally finds a hidden dead body.
Posted on 3/31/14 at 8:57 am to LasVegasTiger
I think its the 100 infinite-ammo machine guns that would make a difference, more so than the SEALS themselves
Posted on 3/31/14 at 9:03 am to Topwater Trout
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Snipers would take out the guys shooting cannons and officers
Add in SEAL issue NVGs. This is the great equalizer. Ten men accustomed and trained to fighting at night vs 100 men who are accustomed to sleeping at night.
Posted on 3/31/14 at 9:05 am to Azranod
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Wow, just wow!
If you would take the time to THINK, the terrain was very different then, and settlements and even homes were further spread apart in those times.
10 US Navy SEALS with unlimited ammo would definitely win for whatever side they chose. 100 well supplied US Navy SEALS would definitely win for whatever side they chose.
The presence of most Special Forces is detected by the explosions and sudden Oh Shite of massive amounts of gunfire, while US Navy SEALS presence is detected when someone finally finds a hidden dead body.
But they'd still face the problem of once they engage a large force in the field that means they will be "fixed" in a location. The will have to concentrate in order to have any hope of being able to withstand the massive amount of lead being thrown at them by tens of thousands of muskets at a time. And once they are "fixed" that's when the artillery will be concentrated and brought to bear. It will be over in a matter of minutes with the SEALS either surrendering or being wiped out.
Yes, the SEALS could more than defeat a regiment or even a brigade, hell, probably two or three brigades worth of Civil War era soldiers. But when you consider the amount of firepower concentrated in a field army or even a corps... there's no way for the SEALS to win.
Posted on 3/31/14 at 9:16 am to Darth_Vader
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But they'd still face the problem of once they engage a large force in the field that means they will be "fixed" in a location. The will have to concentrate in order to have any hope of being able to withstand the massive amount of lead being thrown at them by tens of thousands of muskets at a time. And once they are "fixed" that's when the artillery will be concentrated and brought to bear. It will be over in a matter of minutes with the SEALS either surrendering or being wiped out.
Dude, I like you, you're kewl and all, but SEALS don't fight front lines!
Posted on 3/31/14 at 9:17 am to Darth_Vader
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Yes, the SEALS could more than defeat a regiment or even a brigade, hell, probably two or three brigades worth of Civil War era soldiers. But when you consider the amount of firepower concentrated in a field army or even a corps... there's no way for the SEALS to win.
Well of course, not by themselves, but in support, I have to believe it would change things drastically, if not for being able to take out whole artillery positions and officers from over a mile away, but also in the moral that would be changed in speaking with an officer one second and talking to a pink cloud the next.
Posted on 3/31/14 at 9:17 am to LasVegasTiger
You should read "Guns of the south" by Harry Turtledove. It's about the south winning the war because Afikaaners go back in time with tons of AK47s.
The south whips the north, and takes a chunk of Mexico too.
The south whips the north, and takes a chunk of Mexico too.
Posted on 3/31/14 at 9:19 am to Azranod
quote:I spent enough time thinking about 100 Navy Seals taking on an entire army with no helicopters, no other mechanized vehicles and no explosive devices. No chance.
If you would take the time to THINK
Posted on 3/31/14 at 9:20 am to Napoleon
quote:I have it on my bookshelf. Very interesting read.
You should read "Guns of the south" by Harry Turtledove. It's about the south winning the war because Afikaaners go back in time with tons of AK47s.
Posted on 3/31/14 at 9:21 am to Azranod
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Dude, I like you, you're kewl and all, but SEALS don't fight front lines!
If they disperse it will be even easier to kill them off. But being they would be facing such a huge disparity in numbers, they would have to stick together in order to support one another. I'm not talking huddled together literally back to back, but still in a reletevely concentrated area. If they don't concentrate then while one side mows down the Civil War Era soldiers, their backside would be totally overrun.
Posted on 3/31/14 at 9:22 am to boom roasted
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I spent enough time thinking about 100 Navy Seals taking on an entire army with no helicopters, no other mechanized vehicles and no explosive devices. No chance.
During Operation Iraqi/Enduring Freedom I new guys on SEAL Team 6, you are wrong.
Posted on 3/31/14 at 9:22 am to Napoleon
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You should read "Guns of the south" by Harry Turtledove. It's about the south winning the war because Afikaaners go back in time with tons of AK47s.
Thanks, never heard of it. Sounds like my kind of book.
Posted on 3/31/14 at 9:22 am to Darth_Vader
Are any of the "yes" people talking about how they are going to transport all of their weapons and ammunition?
Posted on 3/31/14 at 9:23 am to Azranod
quote:I must have missed the story where Seal Team 6 defeated the entire Iraqi army.
During Operation Iraqi/Enduring Freedom I new guys on SEAL Team 6, you are wrong.
This post was edited on 3/31/14 at 9:25 am
Posted on 3/31/14 at 9:23 am to Napoleon
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Harry Turtledove
Have you read his alternate North & South series that Stated with How Few Remain and concludes with Settling Accounts: In At The Death? I've never been a big alternate history fan, but this series of books that spans from the 1870's through WWI & WWII is fascinating.
Posted on 3/31/14 at 9:25 am to Darth_Vader
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If they disperse it will be even easier to kill them off. But being they would be facing such a huge disparity in numbers, they would have to stick together in order to support one another
We're not talking disperse, we're talking sneak in, take out the Sentries and people sleeping, and let the Officers try to rally dead bodies as they get cut down.
Posted on 3/31/14 at 9:26 am to boom roasted
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I must have missed the story where Seal Team 6 defeated the entire Iraqi army
Never said they did, just saying I know better than you what they're capable of.
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