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Can high speed rail work in the United States?

Posted on 4/15/24 at 11:31 am
Posted by bad93ex
Member since Sep 2018
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Posted on 4/15/24 at 11:31 am
Every other year or so, people get this idea that we can be exactly like Europe and use high speed rail to reach other cities rather than driving a car. What does the O-T think of high speed rail being implemented stateside?


Posted by danilo
Member since Nov 2008
20073 posts
Posted on 4/15/24 at 11:32 am to
Need more studies
Posted by SmokedBrisket2018
Member since Jun 2018
1517 posts
Posted on 4/15/24 at 11:32 am to
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Can high speed rail work in the United States?


No, because it would have to be operated/subsidized by the government and the government is terrible at everything.
This post was edited on 4/15/24 at 11:34 am
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
26098 posts
Posted on 4/15/24 at 11:33 am to
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Can high speed rail work in the United States?

For very specific corridors, i.e, the NE/East coast from Boston down to Hampton Roads, Texas triangle, California.....maybe.

Outside of those types (basically where light rail, etc. already exists), I don't understand how the massive costs of building the infrastructure for a high speed rail network would be justified. For most of the country, air travel is more than sufficient for transit between urban centers. The only people driving very long distances, such as the example from OP (Chicago to NY) are doing so because they want to. Air travel can get you from Chicago to NY in two hours as well.
This post was edited on 4/15/24 at 11:36 am
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
67028 posts
Posted on 4/15/24 at 11:36 am to
In most parts of the U.S., it cannot work because populations are too spread out and cities too far apart. This makes car and air travel better in most places. However, there are some locations where, given significant reform to rail industries and massively expensive improvements to rail infrastructure, high speed rail could be a more efficient way to travel:
Texas Triangle
San Diego to San Francisco
Northeast corridor
Maybe some of the largest cities in the midwest.

The better question is whether the costs could be justified.

China built out their system, and it’s contributing to China’s financial crisis right now.
Posted by kciDAtaE
Member since Apr 2017
15703 posts
Posted on 4/15/24 at 11:37 am to
Not without slave labor
Posted by fareplay
Member since Nov 2012
4802 posts
Posted on 4/15/24 at 11:38 am to
Idk I think it can bring smaller cities to life by making it a service zone. Like small town OK pitstop for food/ rest / mechanical servicing etc.
Posted by AlumneyeJ93
Member since Apr 2022
621 posts
Posted on 4/15/24 at 11:38 am to
Don't follow the Commiefornia plan.

LINK

Been working on it for 15 years and project another $100 Billion to finish over the initial price tag of $35 billion.
This post was edited on 4/15/24 at 11:42 am
Posted by Snipe
Member since Nov 2015
10898 posts
Posted on 4/15/24 at 11:38 am to
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Can high speed rail work in the United States?


I'd settle for reliable high speed internet.
Posted by Dawgfanman
Member since Jun 2015
22227 posts
Posted on 4/15/24 at 11:39 am to
Is there a huge unmet demand for travel between Chicago and NY? Why wouldn’t high speed rail end up with same hassle as airport?
Posted by LSUtoBOOT
Member since Aug 2012
12386 posts
Posted on 4/15/24 at 11:39 am to
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No, because it would have to be operated/subsidized by the government and the government is terrible at everything.

They’re great at stealing money from taxpayers.
Posted by back9Tiger
Mandeville, LA.
Member since Nov 2005
14131 posts
Posted on 4/15/24 at 11:40 am to
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No, because it would have to be operated/subsidized by the government and the government is terrible at everything.


When can we shut down Amtrak and the USPS?
Posted by Robin Masters
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2010
29705 posts
Posted on 4/15/24 at 11:41 am to
"No airport hassle"

lulz

Does this twat think the train is going to swing by his moms basement and pick him up?

Posted by Bestbank Tiger
Premium Member
Member since Jan 2005
70928 posts
Posted on 4/15/24 at 11:42 am to
TIL that nobody lives between New York and Chicago.
Posted by poochie
Houma, la
Member since Apr 2007
6191 posts
Posted on 4/15/24 at 11:43 am to
Americans are inherently independent and want to drive themselves. We don’t want to be packed into a train and go where everyone else is going. The rest of the world has that engrained into their being, they generally don’t have the independence trait we do.

So even if the US had a high speed rail network and a, let’s call it “Last Mile” network, Americans would still rather drive.


Here’s an example. I’ve traveled from Houma to Hammond a bunch recently. That about 1.5-2 hours. A little shorter than Paris to London by train. But I’d much rather get in my vehicle and drive there when I’m ready, arrive when I want, stop where I want, etc.
Posted by Bestbank Tiger
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Member since Jan 2005
70928 posts
Posted on 4/15/24 at 11:43 am to
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Idk I think it can bring smaller cities to life by making it a service zone. Like small town OK pitstop for food/ rest / mechanical servicing etc.


Sure, but then it isn't 2 hours anymore.
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
53742 posts
Posted on 4/15/24 at 11:44 am to
Every time this comes up I say the same thing, and I will say it again now:

We shouldn't even consider trying to fund a large scale commuter rail system in this country until we take care of the rest of our aging infrastructure that is currently falling down around our ears.

Taking a train ride is fine and good, but not if you have potholes large enough to lose a Volkswagen in, traffic getting worse by the day, and fifty thousand bridges across the country that have been deemed structurally deficient. The untold billions of dollars a commuter rail system will undoubtedly cost can be put to much better use elsewhere.
This post was edited on 4/15/24 at 11:46 am
Posted by Scientific73
Metro Atlanta
Member since Jan 2014
721 posts
Posted on 4/15/24 at 11:45 am to
I remember Obama promised us this in 2012.... "You lie!"
Posted by UGATiger26
Jacksonville, FL
Member since Dec 2009
9044 posts
Posted on 4/15/24 at 11:45 am to
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In most parts of the U.S., it cannot work because populations are too spread out and cities too far apart. This makes car and air travel better in most places.


This.

People bitch and moan that Europe does rail so well, but there's a big reason it works in Europe.

Cities and towns are designed very differently in Europe, with robust metro/subway systems that most major U.S. cities simply don't have. You could live in Paris, Rome, or Madrid for an entire year without ever needing to get inside a car. And smaller towns were built much more compactly, that there is little need to use cars on a daily basis.

Sure, we could have high-speed rail connecting Birmingham and Atlanta, but once you arrived in either city, you're still going to need your own car. Things are too spread out, and public transportation is woefully inadequate.
This post was edited on 4/15/24 at 11:46 am
Posted by dakarx
Member since Sep 2018
6824 posts
Posted on 4/15/24 at 11:45 am to
If you are measuring and trying to find the maximum velocity in which ANYTHING can get to totally hosed up.............invite the gov't to help, regulate, control, etc.
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