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re: Calling OT docs- prostate cancer

Posted on 2/22/24 at 3:04 pm to
Posted by Gorilla Ball
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Posted on 2/22/24 at 3:04 pm to
I had three biopsies and they were just a little uncomfortable
Posted by ArHog
Muss is a coward
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 2/22/24 at 3:08 pm to
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Does it stop you from having to pee in middle of the night and after every single beer



It definitely helps matters, but the disadvantages far outweigh the advantages


Posted by AwgustaDawg
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Posted on 2/22/24 at 3:13 pm to
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If this is the case, I’d focus on more palliative care and make his next year or so more pleasant. A sick late 70s doing any therapy like this will make him live slightly longer at much worse health


A tale of caution - My Dad was diagnosed at 60 and agressively sought treatment. Started with surgery but they found it had spread outside the prostate so they closed him up and did radiation. His was stage 1 3+3 slow growth but it can spread even at that level. He was cancer free (what passes for cancer free with prostate cancer, it probably never actually goes away) for 15 years when he was 75. It was, once again, low grade and non aggressive. Again, he wanted that shite gone. The problem with ALL treatment is there is not really a way to get a second bite of the apple so to speak. Hormone therapy can keep it in check but its going to do what its going to do. Daddy was having none of that...and found a doctor to do cryosurgery...the froze the tumor. This is a horrible practice with very bad results but it is common. He was 75 then and 84 now so he has lived but he has been incontinent, impotent and in excruciating pain for those 9 years because they also destroyed part of his eurethera and it can not be corrected short of having a catheter 24-7 for the rest of his life. He was 75 at the time, diabetic and 100 pounds overweight. Still is 9 years later but those 9 years have been of no quality at all. He would have probably lived those 9 years with the cancer...and certainly would not have had the side effects for 9 years. All cases are different but he regrets being aggressive to this day. At 75 or so most men will die of other causes before they die of prostate cancer and treatment is not pretty in far too many cases.
Posted by jeffsdad
Member since Mar 2007
21445 posts
Posted on 2/22/24 at 3:49 pm to
One big mistake men make is taking "meds" to decrease their PSA. Its true you can take supplements and vitamins and other stuff to artificially reduce your PSA. But, it doesn't reflect whats going on with your prostate. Docs will tell patients to avoid taking "PSA lowering supplements" but patients still do it, thinking they are helping themselves. They are not. PSA is already (compared to other lab results) a very unreliable source of information, the docs really have to weigh a lot of factors. Don't mess with this crap unless the doc prescribes it.
Posted by Tempratt
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Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 2/22/24 at 4:31 pm to
Do they attempt to deaden it?
Posted by AwgustaDawg
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Posted on 2/22/24 at 4:53 pm to
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One big mistake men make is taking "meds" to decrease their PSA. It’s true you can take supplements and vitamins and other stuff to artificially reduce your PSA. But, it doesn't reflect whats going on with your prostate. Docs will tell patients to avoid taking "PSA lowering supplements" but patients still do it, thinking they are helping themselves. They are not. PSA is already (compared to other lab results) a very unreliable source of information, the docs really have to weigh a lot of factors. Don't mess with this crap unless the doc prescribes it.


One of my urologists suggested I take Tamulosin to lower PSA. When I asked to what end the response was to lower PSA. I declined. A reading that isn’t real is no help at all. PSA is sketchy enough as a diagnostic tool, intentionally tweaking its just stupid.
Posted by Cdawg
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Member since Sep 2003
59532 posts
Posted on 2/22/24 at 5:17 pm to
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How painful are prostate biopsies?

Pretty bad when they stick you with the "deadening" shot and then it's super duper uncomfortable for the next 5-10 minutes. That numbing shot helps a little bit but I felt all 12 biopsy (3 at a time) needles. You survive it but then you're left with the nightmare of the next 6-8 weeks.


I think treatment all depends on age, gleason score, etc. Each guy will have their own decision to make because each one has it's own unique circumstances.





Posted by Cdawg
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Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 2/22/24 at 5:19 pm to
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I had three biopsies and they were just a little uncomfortable

3? good gosh my man.
Posted by Cdawg
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Member since Sep 2003
59532 posts
Posted on 2/22/24 at 5:23 pm to
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Does it stop you from having to pee in middle of the night and after every single beer? If so, I'll have mine pulled next week.

That's been one of the positives for me. I can drink 16oz water bottle before bed and be fine all night.
Posted by Miketheseventh
Member since Dec 2017
5777 posts
Posted on 2/22/24 at 5:28 pm to
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He’s late 70s but also has Parkinson’s Stage 4 and has AFib

If I had all those other illnesses I would not do treatments for cancer. That’s just me
Posted by LRB1967
Tennessee
Member since Dec 2020
15681 posts
Posted on 2/22/24 at 5:50 pm to
My dad had prostate cancer. He had radiation beads implanted. Worked well and his PSA tests look great. There didn't seem to be any discernable ill effects.
Posted by Gus007
TN
Member since Jul 2018
11998 posts
Posted on 2/22/24 at 6:52 pm to
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My dad had prostate cancer. He had radiation beads implanted. Worked well and his PSA tests look great. There didn't seem to be any discernable ill effects.




Szme here. Thirty years ago, my wife's best friend's husband had Brachytherapy. He was cured.
Ten years ago I met a man on Jury Duty. He had the same. He was fine.
Then seven years ago, I was diagnosed, selected Brachytherapy.
My PSA went down to less than .01.

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Posted by Julz5198
Member since Mar 2023
393 posts
Posted on 2/22/24 at 6:56 pm to
So I am 61 and got diagnosed last August with stage 4 mestatic prostrate cancer. Initially my oncologist gave me 6-8 months. It had spread into lymph nodes even. I went through a treatment plan that went all the way to early January. No radiation but very aggressive chemo treatments once every 3 weeks. Lupron shots every 3 months. Zometa IV once a month. Oral meds twice a day. My PSA number is back to the normal range. Lymph nodes have shrunk a good bit. He has adjusted my life expectancy out to 18-24 months now. Fixing to be a grandpa again so I will be around for that??. I have retired. If I have 2 years left, I sure as hell won’t spend it at a job. I have worked 45 years of my life. I plan on enjoying the time I have left.
Posted by dukke v
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Posted on 2/22/24 at 6:59 pm to
god bless you!!!!!
Posted by yankeeundercover
Buffalo, NY
Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 2/22/24 at 7:17 pm to
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dukke v
Posted by NoHoTiger
So many to kill, so little time
Member since Nov 2006
45739 posts
Posted on 2/22/24 at 7:17 pm to
Thanks for all the responses. I’m just getting caught up. Hoping that he fares well.

He has some issues. In addition to the other issues, he’s on the autism spectrum. (So is my BIL).

So, we have to get all the info we can get and then decipher everything. We do know 50 days consecutive. When we asked what stage, my BIL didn’t know.

Right now it’s prayers and good thoughts until we know more.
Posted by armsdealer
Member since Feb 2016
11512 posts
Posted on 2/22/24 at 7:18 pm to
He should have identified as a woman then he would not get prostate cancer
Posted by Krzy_Kjn
Member since Nov 2017
22 posts
Posted on 2/22/24 at 7:20 pm to
I just completed proton Radiation in Shreveport for prostrate cancer 1 year ago. I would highly recommend if radiation is an option vs removal.
Posted by VetteGuy
Member since Feb 2008
28199 posts
Posted on 2/22/24 at 7:26 pm to
I am sorry for your worry, hon. My expertise is breast cancer, unfortunately.

He obviously means so much to you.

Prayers to your family for a successful outcome.
Posted by NoHoTiger
So many to kill, so little time
Member since Nov 2006
45739 posts
Posted on 2/22/24 at 7:31 pm to
Thanks, Vette.

Yeah, we lost my mom 2 weeks after the flood in 2016. My dad had dementia and went down hill quickly after mom died. We lost him in 2019. So, this is my niece’s only grandpa. She calls him Grampa Donald Duck. She’s only 9. She’s faced way too much loss in her short life.
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