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re: Bruce Lee vs. Floyd Mayweather Jr in their prime
Posted on 2/15/17 at 2:51 pm to lsupride87
Posted on 2/15/17 at 2:51 pm to lsupride87
Unless Bruce had legions of people all agreeing to lie for him, the witness accounts are at least somewhat reliable. shite, if only 10% of it is true, it still proves that "he never fought" is incorrect.
From the same article you didn't link:
From the same article you didn't link:
quote:
He actually did fight people. And win.
Though he didn't fight much, he did sometimes. He beat the boxing champion of his high school without being a boxer. People occasionally said he was just an actor and tried (and failed) to prove it. This happened on the Enter the Dragon set and begging ensued. His widow Linda said he fought a master in the U.S. who didn't want him to teach to people of non-Asian descent. He won with his Wing Chun skills but didn't think he won fast enough and invented his own martial art. He also destroyed a black belt Karate dude on a YMCA handball court. In 11 seconds. The mat was red. Former student Skip Ellsworth says he "could end any physical confrontation within three or four seconds."
quote:LINK
Was Bruce Lee a real fighter? Obviously. Could Bruce Lee win in a fight against Chuck Norris? It's hard to say for sure, but poring over stories and information from the people that knew him, it seems that he was incredibly legit. The blog Without Writing puts together a pretty compelling case that Chuck Norris would be mopped up after. Against heavyweight mixed martial artists or Muhammed Ali, not everyone agrees. But some say he'd stay low and kick the legs like Inoki and use his endurance to wait a big man out. Too bad we never got to find out. RIP Bruce.
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Posted on 2/15/17 at 2:52 pm to blueboy
quote:
He won with his Wing Chun skills
i'm not arguing or saying this has no validity it just made me laugh. Posted on 2/15/17 at 2:58 pm to DelU249
Everybody Wing Chun tonight!
Posted on 2/15/17 at 2:59 pm to blueboy
quote:That is a quote from a "witness".
Speaking on Bruce Lee, former student Skip Ellsworth says he "could end any physical confrontation within three or four seconds."
Seriously, can you not detect the obvious bullshite when it's right in front of you?
Bruce Lee was a cult-like figure in the mysterious world of martial arts. It's fascinating psychology, but yes, people will lie and pump up these cult-like figures to mythical status.
This post was edited on 2/15/17 at 3:00 pm
Posted on 2/15/17 at 3:01 pm to Grit-Eating Shin
those wing chun skills are super sweet. don't get me wrong, there are people who would probably kill me while trying not to kill me using whatever that is, but it's so funny to say
don't get me wrong, there are people who would probably kill me while trying not to kill me using whatever that is, but it's so funny to say Posted on 2/15/17 at 3:04 pm to PrimeTime Money
while i think lee would beat Mayweather in this type of fight moreso because of their equal size and what Mayweather does best in the ring...it's kind of funny that there was this one fight bruce lee fought in against someone this one time and here are all these anecdotes...meanwhile Mayweather and Tyson have a record from actually fighting
Posted on 2/15/17 at 3:05 pm to PrimeTime Money
You're just talking out of your arse, and your argument isn't really an argument. It's just your own personal presumption, with no evidence.
Way too many people would all have to be lying for your assertion to have any merit.
Way too many people would all have to be lying for your assertion to have any merit.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 3:12 pm to blueboy
There are very few people lying because you cannot find these witnesses. These "accounts" are not verifiable in any way and are not people being interviewed. It's word-of-mouth legend.
For example, that boxing tournament he was supposedly in in China, he fought a guy named "Gary Elms" in the championship. People have looked into this and there is no record of a boxer named Gary Elms. He doesn't exist.
His fight against Wong Jack Man was behind closed doors and only a few people watched. Wong Jack Man wanted the fight to be public but Bruce Lee refused and Wong Jack Man vehemently disputes Lee's people's account of the fight.
Bruce Lee's student who says he can "end any physical confrontation within 3 to 4 seconds" is Frank Dux level BS. He's talking out of his arse.
Martial arts has a lot of bullshite in it because they can trick normal people who don't know any better into believing all of this nonsense.
There is a term in martial arts circles for this nonsense... it's called "bullshido".
That's how people unfamiliar with fighting can actually believe that a 135 pound Wing Chun teacher can beat the hell out of Mike Tyson. It's because martial arts has been romanticized and a legend was created where people actually think these old-arse Shaolin Monks can tap into some mystical energy and beat up guys a third of their age and twice their size.
It's all nonsense.
For example, that boxing tournament he was supposedly in in China, he fought a guy named "Gary Elms" in the championship. People have looked into this and there is no record of a boxer named Gary Elms. He doesn't exist.
His fight against Wong Jack Man was behind closed doors and only a few people watched. Wong Jack Man wanted the fight to be public but Bruce Lee refused and Wong Jack Man vehemently disputes Lee's people's account of the fight.
Bruce Lee's student who says he can "end any physical confrontation within 3 to 4 seconds" is Frank Dux level BS. He's talking out of his arse.
Martial arts has a lot of bullshite in it because they can trick normal people who don't know any better into believing all of this nonsense.
There is a term in martial arts circles for this nonsense... it's called "bullshido".
That's how people unfamiliar with fighting can actually believe that a 135 pound Wing Chun teacher can beat the hell out of Mike Tyson. It's because martial arts has been romanticized and a legend was created where people actually think these old-arse Shaolin Monks can tap into some mystical energy and beat up guys a third of their age and twice their size.
It's all nonsense.
This post was edited on 2/15/17 at 3:17 pm
Posted on 2/15/17 at 3:23 pm to PrimeTime Money
quote:There are several people being interviewed in the documentaries and also in the books.
These "accounts" are not verifiable in any way and are not people being interviewed
quote:You don't know any of this. Hearsay evidence >>>>>> no evidence.
Bruce Lee's student who says he can "end any physical confrontation within 3 to 4 seconds" is Frank Dux level BS. He's talking out of his arse.
You obviously had your mind made up before you posted, but you have no evidence to support your claims. Again, it's just your own presumptions.
quote:I once watched an 11 year old girl beat the shite out of a boy at least 80 lbs. heavier than she was. She trained a lot. The boy was an athlete, but had no fight training.
That's how people unfamiliar with fighting can actually believe that a 135 pound Wing Chun teacher can beat the hell out of Mike Tyson. It's because martial arts has been romanticized and a legend was created where people actually think these old-arse Shaolin Monks can tap into some mystical energy and beat up guys a third of their age and twice their size.
Size doesn't mean anything if the bigger fighter doesn't know how to fight. Anyway, it's irrelevant because Bruce and Floyd are approx. the same size.
This post was edited on 2/15/17 at 3:27 pm
Posted on 2/15/17 at 3:27 pm to PrimeTime Money
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I have seen many videos of what they call "traditional martial artists" (Kung Fu, Taekwondo, Karate, etc) challenge MMA fighters to fights because they think MMA fighters are just unskilled tough guys.
Post some then Deion
Posted on 2/15/17 at 3:29 pm to blueboy
There are people being interviewed telling the same tall tales. You are accusing me of not presenting any evidence. You haven't presented crap.
And if you can't see that his student saying he can end any confrontation in 3 or 4 seconds is bullshite, then you are really gullible.
I've been around martial arts my whole life. I know bullshite when I hear it. It may trick people who have been brainwashed by the legends and tall tales of martial arts and how it's romanticized, but I'm grounded in reality.
And if you can't see that his student saying he can end any confrontation in 3 or 4 seconds is bullshite, then you are really gullible.
I've been around martial arts my whole life. I know bullshite when I hear it. It may trick people who have been brainwashed by the legends and tall tales of martial arts and how it's romanticized, but I'm grounded in reality.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 3:36 pm to Howyouluhdat
Posted on 2/15/17 at 3:38 pm to blueboy
quote:
The boy was an athlete, but had no fight training.
Floyd mayweather is 46-0 as a professional boxer
Your analogy is an argument for mayweather. Bruce Lee is the athlete who hasn't fought professionally or in public
Posted on 2/15/17 at 3:40 pm to PrimeTime Money
I didn't realize people held Bruce lee to such a mythical status
I don't think he was some kind of scrub or phony either and could beat a guy who couldn't kick tackle or grapple but holy shite he may as well be god to some people
I don't think he was some kind of scrub or phony either and could beat a guy who couldn't kick tackle or grapple but holy shite
he may as well be god to some peoplePosted on 2/15/17 at 3:42 pm to PrimeTime Money
quote:I just linked an article talking about this exact subject.
You are accusing me of not presenting any evidence. You haven't presented crap.
And Bruce's "lying" witnesses would have to all coordinate their false stories. It's actually less likely that they would or could do this. But you expect me to believe your assertions just because you have a gut feeling that it's all bullshite.
quote:Yeah, me too. I'm a 7 time world champion. Everyone on the OT is.
I've been around martial arts my whole life.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 3:44 pm to DelU249
quote:It's bananas.
I didn't realize people held Bruce lee to such a mythical status
People think he would literally kill Mike Tyson.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 3:45 pm to blueboy
Can you link the people that he's fought, or even someone talking about the fights? I'm genuinely curious.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 3:46 pm to DelU249
quote:No, Bruce at least studied fighting. It's really not comparable to the boy. All I'm saying is that size isn't the be-all-end-all.
Your analogy is an argument for mayweather. Bruce Lee is the athlete who hasn't fought professionally or in public
I think Bruce could take Floyd just by virtue of the fact that his fighting has fewer if any rules and he has more different tools in his repertoire.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 3:50 pm to StrongBackWeakMind
The Tyson thing is ridiculous though. I gave it some thought before answering because of the Karate element but when you stack them up...iron mike would kill that guy.
Posted on 2/15/17 at 3:54 pm to blueboy
It's not the be all end all, I agree people punch above their weight but why are we talking about that? They're the same size and as far as experience fighting people the nod goes to mayweather.
The unknown commodity here or less defined quantity is lee, who I think would win because that type of match would be outside of mayweather's comfort zone and expertise. But when you're scoring the pros and cons...mayweather has a record (an undefeated one) and lee does not
The unknown commodity here or less defined quantity is lee, who I think would win because that type of match would be outside of mayweather's comfort zone and expertise. But when you're scoring the pros and cons...mayweather has a record (an undefeated one) and lee does not
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