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Posted on 7/7/14 at 7:48 pm to WestlakeTiger
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14 or 18 isnt doing that
oh yeah, sure they will quote:
. the instructors at Top Gun fly 15 and 16's. they are the real fn deal.
yes sir, they are
Posted on 7/7/14 at 7:56 pm to 777Tiger
they will try, and the fusealage will come apart
This post was edited on 7/7/14 at 7:57 pm
Posted on 7/7/14 at 8:09 pm to WestlakeTiger
Navy pilots vs air force pilots is a 90's debate.
We debate SEAL vs Delta these days. Get with times guys.
We debate SEAL vs Delta these days. Get with times guys.
Posted on 7/7/14 at 8:29 pm to Sliderstinks
Hornet driver checking in. Debates like this are pointless. I know plenty of top notch AF fighter pilots and plenty of top notch Navy and Marine fighter pilots. Nobody ever wins them all and we all have our good days and our "other" days. The Hornet with a Helmet Mounted Sight and Aim-9X has to be just about the best ACM platform ever built. I don't know how the F-22 guys do in the visual arena, never got to mix it up with them. Being able to "smoke everybody BVR before they even know you're there" is great in theory, it's just hard to do in the real world in a crowded battle space when it's hard to tell who's who. I can't wait until the advances of stealth technology turn it back into Dawn Patrol, guns only, he with the best eyeballs wins!
I will say that the boat thing is sort of a distinction. Yeah, they have ACLS, but they only do it at night, it only works sometimes, and you damn well better be able to land it yourself or be a really good swimmer!
Debates like this are pointless. I know plenty of top notch AF fighter pilots and plenty of top notch Navy and Marine fighter pilots. Nobody ever wins them all and we all have our good days and our "other" days. The Hornet with a Helmet Mounted Sight and Aim-9X has to be just about the best ACM platform ever built. I don't know how the F-22 guys do in the visual arena, never got to mix it up with them. Being able to "smoke everybody BVR before they even know you're there" is great in theory, it's just hard to do in the real world in a crowded battle space when it's hard to tell who's who. I can't wait until the advances of stealth technology turn it back into Dawn Patrol, guns only, he with the best eyeballs wins! I will say that the boat thing is sort of a distinction. Yeah, they have ACLS, but they only do it at night, it only works sometimes, and you damn well better be able to land it yourself or be a really good swimmer!
Posted on 7/7/14 at 8:48 pm to flyingtexastiger
when the JHMCS and AIM-9x actually work also
Posted on 7/7/14 at 9:06 pm to WestlakeTiger
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quote: F-14F Tomcat the ability to fly at Mach 1.25 at sea level and Mach 2.7 at altitude, which is significantly faster than the F-14 A-E Tomcat and even the F-15 Eagle.
There is no such thing as the F-14F model Tomcat. The final version of the Tomcat was the F-14D.
Posted on 7/7/14 at 9:18 pm to Sliderstinks
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Whos the best of the best? I call Navy.
You can call it, but you high flying, turn and burn jocks got nothing on the "Air to Mud" guys...
A-7D/E Corsair and A-10 Thunderbolt II Driver here
Come down and play in the mud with the real pilots
Posted on 7/7/14 at 9:18 pm to WestlakeTiger
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yes, they dogfight at TopGun, and usually the 18's win. except as a few have pointed out, when the raptors get the hornets at range.
I have not seen a F-22 Raptor in the U. S. Navy inventory. However, the adversary squadron(s) are composed of T-38s, F-16Ns, F-5s, and F/A-18A/B/C/D models.
Posted on 7/7/14 at 9:50 pm to Spaceman Spiff
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There is no such thing as the F-14F model Tomcat. The final version of the Tomcat was the F-14D.
you're right, i copied the wrong shite. my bad.
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I have not seen a F-22 Raptor in the U. S. Navy inventory. However, the adversary squadron(s) are composed of T-38s, F-16Ns, F-5s, and F/A-18A/B/C/D models.
the raptors come up from Nellis for dogfighting week, what are you talking about?
This post was edited on 7/7/14 at 9:54 pm
Posted on 7/7/14 at 9:54 pm to WestlakeTiger
: Have been with the Navy for many years and was not aware of Raptors participating in Top Gun, since that is a U. S. Navy school. You may be thinking of Red Flag, which is put on by the USAF.
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Posted on 7/7/14 at 10:18 pm to Sliderstinks
Posted on 7/7/14 at 10:30 pm to Sliderstinks
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Navy pilots are the only pilots in the world to land on a aircraft carrier day and night good or bad weather. Not to mention the fact that the flight deck pitches and rolls with the ocean.
That is just the landing. The real measure of a fighter pilot is in the fight. There is no way to compare there because the fighters are very different. Navy fighter planes have to be heavy due to the controlled crash they do when landing.
You can look up kill ratios and such but you are comparing apples to oranges.
Posted on 7/7/14 at 10:34 pm to flyingtexastiger
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flyingtexastiger
Good writeup.
Posted on 7/7/14 at 10:42 pm to elprez00
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elprez00 Aviation Buffs. Navy or Air Force Fighter Pilots. That dude in the Marines landed a Harrier on a sawhorse when his nose gear wouldn't open. I'd say that counts for something.
I saw that three times on tv walking by and couldn't figure out the big deal. That's awesome.
Posted on 7/7/14 at 11:04 pm to Spaceman Spiff
Just got back from Top Gun last year. I was sent to Fallon for 10 weeks because we had 3 aircraft there.
I can say with certainty, the raptors come up from nellis every class.
I can say with certainty, the raptors come up from nellis every class.
Posted on 7/8/14 at 1:07 am to flyingtexastiger
Hey Sl......err I mean Texasflyintiger, Do you know any one who's flown both hornets and eagles? ; ) what do you think he would say?
Posted on 7/8/14 at 1:11 am to elprez00
quote:i guess I'm reading this right .... Either way you you a link to
That dude in the Marines landed a Harrier on a sawhorse when his nose gear wouldn't open.
The video?
Posted on 7/8/14 at 1:21 am to Sliderstinks
the most bat shite crazy pilots are army helo guys
Posted on 7/8/14 at 1:33 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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Air Force uniforms are fricking ugly though. Navy wins.
blues???
who wears their blues other than admin people and intel
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