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Are we ready to take college tuition out of the legislature's hands?
Posted on 10/18/16 at 3:17 pm
Posted on 10/18/16 at 3:17 pm
It'll finally be on the ballot in November. Amendment no. 2.
https://www.theadvocate.com/baton_rouge/news/politics/elections/article_3d7d577c-917a-11e6-8ed1-5b3a143b1a95.html?sr_source=lift_amplify
https://www.theadvocate.com/baton_rouge/news/politics/elections/article_3d7d577c-917a-11e6-8ed1-5b3a143b1a95.html?sr_source=lift_amplify
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Posted on 10/18/16 at 3:20 pm to Slippy
Honestly,
LSU should go private.
11-13% from the state isnt a lot to make up.
LSU should go private.
11-13% from the state isnt a lot to make up.
Posted on 10/18/16 at 3:22 pm to CptBengal
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11-13%
Posted on 10/18/16 at 3:22 pm to Slippy
Voted no
Posted on 10/18/16 at 3:24 pm to Slippy
Absolutely not.
They are our only conduit to controlling tuition increases.
Take them out of it, and who is going to reign LSU in?
Won't matter who we elect to speak for us at that point, it will be up to King Alexander and his board of cronies.
They are our only conduit to controlling tuition increases.
Take them out of it, and who is going to reign LSU in?
Won't matter who we elect to speak for us at that point, it will be up to King Alexander and his board of cronies.
Posted on 10/18/16 at 3:27 pm to Slippy
Won't matter. As long as students have the ability to take out easy, uncollateralized loans, the schools will keep spending every red cent of it.
They will just spend more and cry to the legiature when it needs a bail out.
They will just spend more and cry to the legiature when it needs a bail out.
Posted on 10/18/16 at 3:30 pm to King Teal
So you guys are happy keeping LSU grossly underfunded.
Got it.
Got it.
Posted on 10/18/16 at 3:41 pm to Slippy
LSU will be fine just as soon as they trim some fat and start focusing solely on educating students on disciplines that are sustainable and allow our students to make a difference in the productive world.
Way too many BS liberal arts majors, and the string of under-qualified, over-payed professors that come with it. Departmental staff needs to be cut, too.
While we're at it, make some substantial revisions to the Reveille, or just cut your losses. That thing has become a disgrace to journalism as of late.
Way too many BS liberal arts majors, and the string of under-qualified, over-payed professors that come with it. Departmental staff needs to be cut, too.
While we're at it, make some substantial revisions to the Reveille, or just cut your losses. That thing has become a disgrace to journalism as of late.
Posted on 10/18/16 at 3:41 pm to Slippy
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So you guys are happy keeping LSU grossly underfunded.
Got it.
its not underfunded you dumb shite. (and yes, only a dumb shite would allege so). Its got a spending problem, like every other publically funded entity. It gets plenty of money. Just not the money IT WANTS!!! Thats why all the drama from FKA.
Posted on 10/18/16 at 3:44 pm to King Teal
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Are we ready to take college tuition out of the legislature's hands?
LSU will be fine just as soon as they trim some fat and start focusing solely on educating students on disciplines that are sustainable and allow our students to make a difference in the productive world.
Eight years of cuts is not trimming the fat. You are nuts.
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Way too many BS liberal arts majors, and the string of under-qualified, over-payed professors that come with it. Departmental staff needs to be cut, too.
LOL, this is the R1 institution for the state, you need to have offerings, including BS liberal arts, that are not included at other universities in the state. It is obvious you are reading some stupid talking point because you do not know what you are talking about when it comes to learning, students and higher education.
Posted on 10/18/16 at 3:46 pm to Slippy
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So you guys are happy keeping LSU grossly underfunded. Got it.
OR you could cut the hundreds of salaries of useless faculty/staff that are doing nothing for education. Most colleges have more administrative positions on the payroll than actual professors. Sorry, LSU doesn't need any more Diversity and Inclusion deans or Associate Vice Provosts for Investor Relations.
Posted on 10/18/16 at 3:47 pm to tigerinthebueche
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its not underfunded you dumb shite. (and yes, only a dumb shite would allege so). Its got a spending problem, like every other publically funded entity. It gets plenty of money. Just not the money IT WANTS!!! Thats why all the drama from FKA.
If you want to attract top professionals and have a great university, it cost money. Every dollar invested in LSU comes back like 5 fold to the state of Louisiana. It's dumbasses that think it is overfunded that do not understand how much you are actually hurting the future of Louisiana. Its all the knuckleheads that got highly subsidized degrees in the 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s, and 00s, that now want to slash LSU and make student pay much more than they did for the same education. Simply because they do not want to pay more taxes even though they can.
Posted on 10/18/16 at 3:51 pm to ClientNumber9
not to mention the fact that LSU never got "cut". They simply weren't funded at the amount LSU asked for. Only a publically funded organization would rely on the logic that if I dont get what i asked for, I got a cut. 
It would be amusing if they didn't rely on public funds for this. But they do and I'm tired of having my money taken from me to fund a bloated university with absolutely no sense of fiscal reality or responsibility.
It would be amusing if they didn't rely on public funds for this. But they do and I'm tired of having my money taken from me to fund a bloated university with absolutely no sense of fiscal reality or responsibility.
Posted on 10/18/16 at 3:53 pm to FreddieMac
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Its all the knuckleheads that got highly subsidized degrees in the 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s, and 00s, that now want to slash LSU and make student pay much more than they did for the same education. Simply because they do not want to pay more taxes even though they can.
This is incorrect. Even adjusted for inflation, tuition is so much more expensive now due to administrative bloat. All those touchy-feely safe space counselors and Student Life babysitters and risk assessment staffers cost universities millions in salaries and benefits.
Posted on 10/18/16 at 3:58 pm to Slippy
It should be taken out of their hands. They have unilateral power to raise tuition to make up for budget cuts.
No matter who sets the budget or tuition, nothing will change until the laws are rewritten to allow for budget cuts in other areas than higher education and health care.
No matter who sets the budget or tuition, nothing will change until the laws are rewritten to allow for budget cuts in other areas than higher education and health care.
Posted on 10/18/16 at 4:02 pm to Slippy
The problem is the state govt is playing politics with higher ed. They don't provide enough funding to justify the amount of control they have over the LSU & U of Louisiana systems.
Also, this might be a step towards closing or consolidating some of the unnecessary colleges in the state.
Also, this might be a step towards closing or consolidating some of the unnecessary colleges in the state.
Posted on 10/18/16 at 4:05 pm to ClientNumber9
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This is incorrect. Even adjusted for inflation, tuition is so much more expensive now due to administrative bloat. All those touchy-feely safe space counselors and Student Life babysitters and risk assessment staffers cost universities millions in salaries and benefits.
Yes, but what you are not seeming to understand is that LSU does not hire those people because they just want too. Those requirement are driven by accreditation which has to comply with federal law. You suggest there is administrative bloat, I would suggest there is nothing of the sort. It is regulation bloat that requires more staff to solve the problem. So as you call for cutting staff and administration, the federal gov't is requiring more and more staff to comply with all the regulations to maintain accreditation. Without accreditation you cannot accept Title IV funding (federal financial aid). Again, most of people complaining about LSU or any state higher education institutions
Also, college cost student much more today than it did in the past because of increased regulatory requirement and decreasing state support.
This post was edited on 10/18/16 at 4:06 pm
Posted on 10/18/16 at 4:07 pm to FreddieMac
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Its all the knuckleheads that got highly subsidized degrees in the 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s, and 00s, that now want to slash LSU and make student pay much more than they did for the same education. Simply because they do not want to pay more taxes even though they can.
no Mr. Alexander, I want YOU to pay for YOUR education. All of it. Same as I did. Not one penny of my education was subsidized. Talk about a "talking point"!
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Every dollar invested in LSU comes back like 5 fold to the state of Louisiana.
LOfrickingL. When the state subsidizes your education and you leave the state to seek a job elsewhere, Louisiana doesn't get dick. Know why the student leaves? No job opps. Know why there aren't any job ops? Taxes are too high and businesses dont/cant afford to be here.
You must be employed by LSU or affiliated at least. LSU has been propagating your lies for years. People just finally realized its lies and BS, just like
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If you want to attract top professionals and have a great university, it cost money
if money was all it takes, the Federal and state governments would be the greatest entities in the universe. They aren't. And I'm not even going to address what great benefits or windfall profits generated by curriculums like "gender studies"
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Simply because they do not want to pay more taxes even though they can.
Who are you to assume you know how much anyone can afford to pay in taxes? If you want to pay more, write a check. I pay plenty and am pretty damn tired of being told to pay more. For any programs. Time for the purple and gold to do without or live on a budget. I sure as hell have to!
Posted on 10/18/16 at 4:08 pm to King Teal
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They are our only conduit to controlling tuition increases.
Take them out of it, and who is going to reign LSU in?
From the PAR Guide:
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Louisiana remains one of just two states that do not allow colleges to make autonomous decisions regarding tuition and fee levels at their respective universities. It is the only state that requires a two-thirds vote of the Legislature to change tuition and fees.
PAR Guide to the 2016 Constitutional Amendments
Posted on 10/18/16 at 4:14 pm to FreddieMac
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Yes, but what you are not seeming to understand is that LSU does not hire those people because they just want too. Those requirement are driven by accreditation which has to comply with federal law. You suggest there is administrative bloat, I would suggest there is nothing of the sort. It is regulation bloat that requires more staff to solve the problem. So as you call for cutting staff and administration, the federal gov't is requiring more and more staff to comply with all the regulations to maintain accreditation. Without accreditation you cannot accept Title IV funding (federal financial aid). Again, most of people complaining about LSU or any state higher education institutions
This is true to some degree and I see your point, at least as far as Title IX programs and such go. However, there is enormous positional redundancy at LSU and other schools that is driven solely by the growth of needless bureaucracy. My wife has served as both a professor and administrator at private and public universities all over the country. In both settings we have seen universities shite a permanent new dean/provost position based on a six month temporary need. Sometimes this is accredited-driven, more often it's not.
This post was edited on 10/18/16 at 4:15 pm
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