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re: Are kids who take Karate more or less likely to get into a fight?
Posted on 2/20/14 at 7:52 am to RBWilliams8
Posted on 2/20/14 at 7:52 am to RBWilliams8
I couldn't fight my way out of a wet paper bag. I would love to learn some basic self defense moves.
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Posted on 2/20/14 at 7:54 am to rebeloke
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I am thinking about letting my 12 year old son take a martial arts class. The idea is that it would instill discipline.
Just get him signed up at a "box." He will learn discipline. And I hear that kipping pullups are almost as great for 12yo kids as they are for adults.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 7:55 am to rebeloke
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I think he is more likely to be the target of a fight with those wanting to prove themselves. When I was a kid those kids who took karate where always doing side kicks and showing off their stuff. It was a challenge and a warning to those who were taking notes. What better way to show you are a badass than by beating up a kid who knows karate? It is putting a target on his back.
We always saw them as nerds. I got into a fight with one and he said he had to go home and ask his mom if he could kick my arse. He left crying after I beat his arse in about 20 seconds.
Karate doesn't translate to street fighting IMO.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 7:55 am to MWP
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The real upside to that is about 99.9% of actual street fights that last longer than a few seconds end up on the ground anyway so it's pretty important to know what you are doing down there.
That's a fact, and why I think this makes real good sense over others. I wrestled in HS, and of the few fights I've been in, it was always a lot more useful because it always ended up on the ground as you say.
I still think White Crane is a beautiful martial art, but it doesn't really serve as much practical application. I really wish I had taken more grappling and wrestling based martial art training. Truth is though, like someone else said, the one thing I think good training will give a kid is confidence, and then of course discipline as well. Combined with good parenting, and I think that builds a pretty well rounded kid.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 7:57 am to rebeloke
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Are kids who take Karate more or less likely to get into a fight?
My nickname was Seagal in middle school...everybody knew I wasn't fricking around, so definitely less likely in my case.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 8:00 am to CadesCove
There never was a good knife made from bad steel.
Martial arts training probably won't change your kid inside unless it becomes a regular part of his life for a very long time. Build character in your kid under your roof, consistently, and the best parts of that will come out through martial arts.
It won't teach character. It will reveal it.
Martial arts training probably won't change your kid inside unless it becomes a regular part of his life for a very long time. Build character in your kid under your roof, consistently, and the best parts of that will come out through martial arts.
It won't teach character. It will reveal it.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 8:07 am to Mike da Tigah
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I wrestled in HS
God I wish I would have gotten into wrestling at that age. I have been training with wrestlers for a while now and the good ones have this can't beat me up mentality. Plus, their cardio is sick.
My kid wrestles because he plays football in HS and the coaches told all the OL and DL they were wrestling if they wanted to keep a lock on their starting spots in the Fall. I was overjoyed hearing this because I haven't really pushed martial arts on him and it now gives us a chance to train a little bit together.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 8:10 am to LSUthrilla
Karate is the Dane Cook of martial arts- Sterling Archer
Seriously though, there are other disciplines that are way more practical.
Seriously though, there are other disciplines that are way more practical.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 8:13 am to prince of fools
I use the William Valentine, "Quart of Blood Technique." And I never look beat up, because karate men bruise on the inside to avoid showing weakness.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 8:14 am to rebeloke
Chief Illiniwek claimed he knew karate but I never saw him use it. I think he may have been pulling my leg.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 8:16 am to rebeloke
They teach them to avoid fights.
I did martial arts for 5 years.
got my black belt at 14
I did martial arts for 5 years.
got my black belt at 14
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Posted on 2/20/14 at 8:17 am to MWP
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have been training with wrestlers for a while now and the good ones have this can't beat me up mentality. Plus, their cardio is sick.
Yeah, cardio really is sick. I've never had anything challenge me physically as that did, and as you say, the mental toughness and self confidence is a real nice asset. "Don't want no trouble, and I'll try to avoid it, but if trouble comes I know I can handle my own and won't quit." That really is true.
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My kid wrestles because he plays football in HS and the coaches told all the OL and DL they were wrestling if they wanted to keep a lock on their starting spots in the Fall. I was overjoyed hearing this because I haven't really pushed martial arts on him and it now gives us a chance to train a little bit together.
That's pretty cool you two get to train together. That may be the best thing yet, spending good quality time with him and learning together.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 8:18 am to SpqrTiger
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It won't teach character. It will reveal it.
Sounds like fotune cookie.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 8:19 am to rebeloke
Getting into a fight is the result of a loss of self-control. Karate (taught and studied properly) is about building self-control. So I'd say the kid would be less likely to get into a fight and more likely to defend himself if he was attacked (which in my mind is different from getting into a fight).
Posted on 2/20/14 at 8:29 am to KCinDC
Getting into a fight at school is not always avoidable. The less attention and reasons you give for starting one the better. I have already showed him some take down moves in the event it is unavoidable. In the second grade he put a kid in a full nelson that was trying to bully him. This year a kid tried to punch him and he grabbed him and picked him up and slammed him. He is a competitive swimmer and plays basketball on his schools team. The Karate stuff is just try and work on some self-discipline.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 8:31 am to KCinDC
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Getting into a fight is the result of a loss of self-control. Karate (taught and studied properly) is about building self-control. So I'd say the kid would be less likely to get into a fight and more likely to defend himself if he was attacked (which in my mind is different from getting into a fight).
What was that Teddy Roosevelt said, walk softly and carry a big stick? The big stick, in this case, being the skills you acquire in self defense to combat the real world out there who don't have the same self control and always seem to be looking for trouble.
Another thing that the tough guys of this world always seem to be looking for is the big guy, or tough guy to challenge, especially if they know you know martial arts. Everybody wants to fight ya then to show they're the real billy badass, so it's always best in my estimation to keep this stuff on the down low as much as possible.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 8:50 am to rebeloke
My son took Tae Kwon Doe when he was 9 till 14 and earned 2nd degree black belt. Then we moved and he took jujitsu for 3 years and earned his blue belt. I think it taught him alot about discipline. When we moved the star athelete at the school and also a bully was harrasing him. My son asked whet should he do and fighting is a last resort. I told him to invite this to go to church with us, which the kid didn't want to do. I finally told my son to just avoid him but he put his hands on him, do what you have to do. Well it never came to that and that summer this kid came to our home with some other kids. He walked his room and seen all my sons awards and trophys for martial arts. My son said he never picked on him again and was actually quite friendly after that...remember fighting should always be a last resort
Posted on 2/20/14 at 8:51 am to Mike da Tigah
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Another thing that the tough guys of this world always seem to be looking for is the big guy, or tough guy to challenge, especially if they know you know martial arts.
Speaking of experience, you want to walk away from each and every fight that you can unless bodily harm of you or your family is immenent. Verbal assaults, let it fricking go. So what if your pride is damaged or you look bad in front of your friends. You get into a fight and use your training and hurt the poor fricker, he is going to sue you more than likely or try and press charges. Not very pleasant situation trust me.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 8:57 am to rebeloke
Jiu Jitsu..Jiu Jitsu..Jiu Jitsu! Karate for young kids for the most part is a joke. Kids getting there "Black Belt" at age 14 is a complete farce. You can't even progress to blue belt until your 16+ in BJJ. It's the most legit Martial Art around. It will take discipline, humbleness, respect, and self confidence and slap him across the face with it. Then when your kid hits HS, urge him to join the wrestling team.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 9:08 am to SDVTiger
Anyone know of any krav maga gyms here?
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