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re: Apparently private equity is buying up small hospitals in LA

Posted on 3/18/24 at 4:09 pm to
Posted by LaLadyinTx
Cypress, TX
Member since Nov 2018
5990 posts
Posted on 3/18/24 at 4:09 pm to
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No one wants to hear this, but we would be better off with government owned health care than PE owned healthcare.


I agree that no one wants to hear it. But after working in the business side of healthcare for 40 years, I do believe we would be better off with a single payor. I just don't trust our government to be that payor and not waste my money.
Posted by thejuiceisloose
UNO Fan
Member since Nov 2018
4151 posts
Posted on 3/18/24 at 4:10 pm to
Try that free market capitalism in a small town
Posted by SquatchDawg
Cohutta Wilderness
Member since Sep 2012
14164 posts
Posted on 3/18/24 at 4:13 pm to
There’s nothing free market about healthcare where Medicare and Medicaid are 80%+ of the patients and government tells you what they’ll reimburse regardless of cost.
Posted by nuwaydawg
Member since Nov 2007
1920 posts
Posted on 3/18/24 at 4:39 pm to
My wife did her internship at a Catholic hospital. They had a convent on site, and those nuns ran a tight, and at the same time a compassionate ship.

The head nun insured that "the floors squeaked", no carpet and I'm sure the accounting books were as clean. I enjoyed spending time with the older nuns. Planting gardens, removing brush and weeding. Nice people.

The nuns are gone and they are a member of Trinity Health. A non-profit.

$2,951,758: Richard Gilfillan, Director, CEO (through 6/19)
$2,475,859: Michael Slubowski, President and Chief Operating Officer
$2,372,507: Barbara Walters, Former Key Employee
$1,786,121: Paul Neumann, Secy, EVP, Chief Legal Officer (through 8/18)
$1,748,458: Daniel Roth, EVP, Chief Clinical Officer
$1,732,742: Benjamin Carter, Treasurer, EVP, CFO
$1,694,878: Sally Jeffcoat, EVP, Growth, Strategy, and Innovation
$1,522,588: Robert Casalou, President and CEO, Michigan Region
$1,393,553: Mark Fromison, Former Key Employee
$1,297,537: Marcus Shipley, SVP, Chief Information Officer
$1,284,936: Nora Triola, Former Key Employee
$1,272,923: John Rodis, President, St Francis Hospital
$1,271,691: Susan Croushore, President, Mercy Health of SEPA
$1,270,106: Edmund Hodge, EVP, Chief HR Officer
$1,154,276: Roger Spoelman, LUHS Int CEO through 10/18, SVP 10-12/18
$1,102,611: Cynthia Clemence, Asst Treasurer, SVP, Operations CFO
$1,040,533: John Capasso, EVP, Continuing Care
$ 991,877: Paul Conlon, Former Key Employee
$ 929,480: Louis Fierens II, EVP, Administrative Services
$ 880,687: Michael Hemsley, Asst Secy, Deputy General Counsel
$ 839,899: Linda Ross, Secy, EVP, Chief Legal Officer (as of 9/18)
$ 831,230: Paul Harkaway, Former Key Employee, Chief Acct Care Dev Officer
4 800,818: Michael Holper, Former Key Employee, SVP, Int/Audit SERVICES
$ 709,165: Cynthia Fry, Former Key Employee, SVP Rev Excellence
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$ 567,365: Philip Boyle, Former Key Employee, SVP, Mission
$ 294,490: Joshua Moore, Asst Secy, VP Managing Counsel

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This post was edited on 3/18/24 at 5:15 pm
Posted by LSUSkip
Central, LA
Member since Jul 2012
17528 posts
Posted on 3/18/24 at 4:42 pm to
I don't want private equity firms anywhere near hospitals in my area. Is there no way to stop this from happening? This is going to be a total disaster and it will affect the people that need it the most, the worst.
Posted by nuwaydawg
Member since Nov 2007
1920 posts
Posted on 3/18/24 at 4:45 pm to
Trinity in 2023.

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Posted by Sweet Pickles
Member since Mar 2017
367 posts
Posted on 3/18/24 at 4:49 pm to
This. Healthcare does not operate in a normal free market environment. The government dictates reimbursement. They continue to cut reimbursement making it harder for small hospitals and practices to run. Forget a profit, these guys are just trying to not lose money. And the only options are often PE or close down. The government is playing the slow game in a march towards socialized medicine.
Posted by TigerDeacon
West Monroe, LA
Member since Sep 2003
29276 posts
Posted on 3/18/24 at 4:51 pm to
quote:

The goal of private equity is as follows:
1) Buy a business and load it up with debt
2) Take a ton of cash out
3) Trim expeneses to the absolute bone, and usually beyond
4) Starve the business of resources / spending as much as possible, but not so much as to cause it to shut down, so they can flip it in a few years and make a ton of money and pass it on to the next group, or
5) If they go too deep and end up putting it out of business, just sell off the assets and get the remaining cash out that way.


Then have done a good job of this with Glenwood. Now everyone just goes to St. Francis.
Posted by Earnest_P
Member since Aug 2021
3485 posts
Posted on 3/18/24 at 4:51 pm to
The elites don’t like rural people, and they want us all shuffled into cities. They’re going to try to make services unavailable rurally.
Posted by El Segundo Guy
SE OK
Member since Aug 2014
9572 posts
Posted on 3/18/24 at 4:56 pm to
Well I agree elites hate people living self-sufficient lives in rural America, the health care available to rural communities insight and day better than what it used to be.

I need a rx refill? No more driving over an hour one way to go to the doctor. I send a message or do a 10 minute video chat and I get the ahit in the mail.
Posted by CatfishJohn
Member since Jun 2020
13347 posts
Posted on 3/18/24 at 5:08 pm to
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There are few endeavors more poorly suited to endure the excesses of unregulated (or lightly regulated) capitalism than healthcare. And that's why a lot of aspects of it have slowly become more government dominated. Medicare is pretty popular in this country and for good reason.
But healthcare overall in the US is WAY more expensive than other industrialized countries and outcomes are generally outside the top 10-15.


For profit healthcare is very regulated relative to any other for profit business in this country. VERY regulated. I have to go through 10 regulatory attorneys to sell a handful of urgent care centers for a client and 5x that on hospital level transactions. And when it comes to laws in actual medicine, they are endless. Then on top of that, being successful in healthcare outside of some smaller examples, is completely dependent on the government agreeing to pay you for your services.

I have healthcare clients in Europe, Australia and in the US. The outcomes aren't worse because our system is worse, they just appear worse because this isn’t apples to apples.

The very wealthy in these other countries pay exorbitant money for private healthcare that most of the population will never be able to access. The people who are on the government healthcare have months, sometimes over a year, waiting time for medical care/surgeries, and they receive no better, and by a lot of accounts worse, treatment.

The problem is differences in population. We are heterogenous, not homogenous, like several of those “higher performing” countries. We are overpopulated and the unhealthier portions of our population are growing while the healthier are contracting. We are fatter and sicker than the countries ahead of us, and in several sub-cultures in the US preventative medicine is a completely foreign idea.

Could our system use a complete overhaul? Absofrickinglutely. Is it fricked because of capitalism? No. It is fricked because it is decades of patch work legislation with endless nuance from a patient, insurer, and provider perspective. It is the most convoluted institution in our country. The defense department is 1st grade math in comparison. That isn't just because of capitalism. It was designed in unsustainable fashion from the get-go and never fixed. It wasn't built to handle 300 million fat people that don't care about their own well-being.

I talk to doctors that have no idea how the government system works. I talk to FTC employees that have no idea how the hospital system works. I talk to insurance companies that have no idea how either work. It needs to start over.
This post was edited on 3/18/24 at 5:16 pm
Posted by Gee Grenouille
Bogalusa
Member since Jul 2018
4747 posts
Posted on 3/18/24 at 5:19 pm to
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but this seems like something that should be fixed with legislation.


It’s just too bad that the folks that do this for a living are future employees of said corporations.
Posted by lsucoonass
shreveport and east texas
Member since Nov 2003
68446 posts
Posted on 3/18/24 at 5:22 pm to
Kinda figured Christus would have bought them out considering their Shreveport and East Texas presence
Posted by GeauxTigers123
Member since Feb 2007
1298 posts
Posted on 3/18/24 at 5:28 pm to
I’ve worked in state owned hospitals, private hospitals, hospitals run by non profits, and hospitals run by the federal government.

The federal government hospitals are by far the worst for getting anything done. The level of red tape is insane (if anything ever happens). Anyone who wants the feds to take over is crazy.
Posted by nitwit
Member since Oct 2007
12223 posts
Posted on 3/18/24 at 6:58 pm to
Denial.
Not a river in Egypt.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
39131 posts
Posted on 3/18/24 at 6:58 pm to
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because the only two alternatives are socialized medicine, or PE owned medicine

Idiot

You are the idiot if you think P.E. Should be prohibited from owning what you or I can own. How a hospital is run is what should be regulated, not who can own it.

I’m telling you, all of these MAGA populists are going to wind up cheek to jowl with the commies.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
37034 posts
Posted on 3/18/24 at 7:41 pm to
quote:

You are the idiot if you think P.E. Should be prohibited from owning what you or I can own. How a hospital is run is what should be regulated, not who can own it.


Then fine. If it was properly regulated, it would not be at all attractive to PE.

quote:


I’m telling you, all of these MAGA populists are going to wind up cheek to jowl with the commies.


Do you think I'm a MAGA populist?
Posted by jeffsdad
Member since Mar 2007
21379 posts
Posted on 3/18/24 at 7:50 pm to
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For profit healthcare is very regulated relative to any other for profit business in this country. VERY regulated. I have to go through 10 regulatory attorneys to sell a handful of urgent care centers for a client and 5x that on hospital level transactions. And when it comes to laws in actual medicine, they are endless. Then on top of that, being successful in healthcare outside of some smaller examples, is completely dependent on the government agreeing to pay you for your services.


Bingo! "Profit" Hospitals are very regulated to the nth degree. Just look at medical necessity. If a "profit" hospital performed medical necessity like a "Non-profit" hospital the federal government would come in and fine them tens, or maybe hundreds of millions of dollars. And to make it more irrational, if "non-profits" actually performed medical necessity legally it would save them a significant amount of money. I estimated 7 years ago the Lousiana state owned hospital system would save 17-20 million dollars per year (conservatively) if they would perform med necessity correctly. I very nearly got fired for this money saving idea (even though it was federal law).
Posted by nitwit
Member since Oct 2007
12223 posts
Posted on 3/18/24 at 8:24 pm to
How is the profitability relationship between the private patient and the hospital regulated?
Posted by BuckyCheese
Member since Jan 2015
49025 posts
Posted on 3/18/24 at 8:46 pm to
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If the Church is God's House, the Devil's is a Nursing Home.

They way they spend down some of these people's incomes should be criminal.




Was spending $9200/month for my mother and had to battle them to get her out as they outright lied to the doctor.

5 star place and all I will say about that is the 3 stars must be real bad as I was not impressed at all with the care and I'd be surprised if prisons have worse food.
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