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re: A LEOs Responsibility Is To Disobey Orders When It Is Morally or Ethically Wrong
Posted on 12/15/16 at 3:23 pm to FelicianaTigerfan
Posted on 12/15/16 at 3:23 pm to FelicianaTigerfan
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Serious question. Are you addicted to smoking pot or is your job just not important enough to you that youd risk losing it?
I see it more as self medicating. I have bad anxiety and an absolutely horrible temper. But everyone I know thinks the opposite of that. I wouldn't say I'm addicted, because I can and have gone years without smoking. I never smoke at work, aside from as a kid working at a bagel shop. I just wasn't as pleasant to be around.
I could and have tried the world of big pharma. But things like SSRIs mess with your brain chemistry badly, and I hated them when I tried them. Plus, pills have too many side effects. The worst I have with weed is sleepy and hungry. Those are easy to combat with exercise. A limp dick at 30 because of zoloft is not.
And my job is important. But as I said, they don't test or care. So for me, I'm allowed to smoke, and can legally buy or grow it. I have never had a job that would surprise me with a cup. Any job I've had that tested, only tested when I was hired on, our got into an accident with a company vehicle. I've never had a random.
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Posted on 12/15/16 at 3:29 pm to FelicianaTigerfan
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Serious question.
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Are you addicted to smoking pot
Posted on 12/15/16 at 3:35 pm to LucasP
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This country was founded on a few key moral principals, one of the main ones was that drugs are bad for citizens and democracy. If we allow citizens to smoke drugs it would endanger the very freedom that police are sworn to protect.
Get a job.
Quality troll. I almost took the bait.
Posted on 12/15/16 at 3:38 pm to DaTroof
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DaTroof
ODB Jr?
Posted on 12/15/16 at 3:46 pm to CCTider
Not a "troll", just pointing out the absurdity of the typical prohibitionist argument.
Posted on 12/15/16 at 3:47 pm to dnm3305
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Serious question.
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Are you addicted to smoking pot
I have no problem with that question. Especially if someone is inexperienced regarding pot use, or responsible people who use cannabis.
And I may be mentally addicted, but I don't believe i am. It's just not the same as any other intoxicating drug addiction. There's no physical symptoms, but I can get bitchy if I haven't smoked in a couple days. Though that usually stops after a few days.
I see my marijuana use, while heavy, as similar to my coffee use. I drink coffee to wake up before work, and I'll smoke pot to relax after work.
But, my use of cannabis hasn't had a negative impact on my personal relationships or my career. Nobody has ever told me that they don't want to hang out with me because I smoke. I also just accepted a 6 figure job, which is pretty great for a guy in his early thirties, that didn't finish his degree.
My dad has also smoked for 50 years, and runs a $50+ million engineering firm. There's plenty of very high functioning cannabis users. There's also plenty of people incapable of smoking and holding down a simple job. Cannabis effects everyone differently.
Posted on 12/15/16 at 3:49 pm to dnm3305
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dnm3305
I see you are puzzled by my question. I know there are countless studies out there that say it is not addictive. I think that largely contradicts what ive seen. People who smoke regularly the have to stop because of a job, wife tells them to, court ordered drug test, etc and they cant do it. Would that not be signs of someone addicted to it?
And when I say addicted, im not talking about chemical dependency . Im talking about addicted to the feeling or the habit itself.
Posted on 12/15/16 at 3:51 pm to LucasP
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Not a "troll", just pointing out the absurdity of the typical prohibitionist argument.
Gotcha. It can be hard to tell sarcasm vs a troll on a message board.
I just always found it hilarious when I've been lectured about cannabis being bad and harmful, by sometime drinking whiskey. But it's typical government lies, that these people were raised to believe. Luckily, the younger generations know hire ridiculous the prohibition is, and there's no doubt in my mind that it'll change soon. Especially now, with California legalizing recreational cannabis.
Posted on 12/15/16 at 3:56 pm to CCTider
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I have no problem with that question.
Thank you. Lots of people freak out at the question
Without getting into a debate on self medicating and the effects it can have on people I respect that you feel its a valid reason to smoke and accept the risk that it may land you in legal trouble.
This post was edited on 12/15/16 at 4:06 pm
Posted on 12/15/16 at 3:58 pm to FelicianaTigerfan
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I see you are puzzled by my question. I know there are countless studies out there that say it is not addictive. I think that largely contradicts what ive seen. People who smoke regularly the have to stop because of a job, wife tells them to, court ordered drug test, etc and they cant do it. Would that not be signs of someone addicted to it?
I see this as no different than a 300 pound guy that can't stop eating junk food. It's a mental, not physical addiction. Plus, some people are just naturally stupid, and do all sorts of self destructive things. Cannabis is probably just one of many screw ups in those people's lives.
Yes, it's easy to blame weed. But I've never had to help a friend go through marijuana DTs. They don't cause physical withdraw symptoms. If we banned everything that people overindulged, we'd have to ban countless products and live in an authoritarian society. And basic research will tell you the true reasons why cannabis was banned in the first place.
Posted on 12/15/16 at 4:00 pm to AwesomeSauce
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Me: So you just want to legalize pot so you can get high?
Posted on 12/15/16 at 4:03 pm to DaTroof
Sovereign Citizens Assemble!!!!!!!!
Posted on 12/15/16 at 4:08 pm to FelicianaTigerfan
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Thank you. Lots of people freak out at the question
No problem. I feel that I'm a highly intelligent person, that can shed a different perspective than people here have encountered in their hometowns.
Beyond not being a criminal (which I think Colorado for allowing me to say I haven't broken a law in years) and the ease if access to quality cannabis, I'm in favor if legalization for the reduced access it has on teens. I started too young, which can be a problem on a developing brain.
My first connection was at 14-15 from taco bell cashiers near my house. By 16, my connections started pushing other drugs to me. In high school, alcohol was much harder to get than weed, coke, pills, etc. And that's fricking insane. I know I'd eventually discover cannabis and enjoy it, but I shouldn't have had such easy access at that age. And youth cannabis use is actually going down in Colorado. Unless they have a much older sibling or questionable parents, having steady supply has gotten more difficult, which is great.
Posted on 12/15/16 at 4:09 pm to CCTider
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I see this as no different than a 300 pound guy that can't stop eating junk food. It's a mental, not physical addiction. Plus, some people are just naturally stupid, and do all sorts of self destructive things. Cannabis is probably just one of many screw ups in those people's lives.
Don't disagree at all but the always popular argument of it not being addictive isn't really true.
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But I've never had to help a friend go through marijuana DTs. They don't cause physical withdraw symptoms. If we banned everything that people overindulged, we'd have to ban countless products and live in an authoritarian society. And basic research will tell you the true reasons why cannabis was banned in the first place.
Problem is, we aren't making it illegal, its already there. When something starts out as illegal and made "taboo" it takes a long time to remove the labels from it.
Posted on 12/15/16 at 4:10 pm to FelicianaTigerfan
You make a good argument for how much and alcohol are very similar.
Posted on 12/15/16 at 4:19 pm to FelicianaTigerfan
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Problem is, we aren't making it illegal, its already there. When something starts out as illegal and made "taboo" it takes a long time to remove the labels from it.
On a serious note, if you really want to convince someone that prohibition needs to end just ask the question "what's the benefit to current policy?". Once you get someone trying to explain it in practical terms, they usually see how it doesn't benefit anyone except for a few parties who only have self interest in mind.
That's usually the way I try to approach it, but I don't know many people who still think it should be illegal either.
This post was edited on 12/15/16 at 4:23 pm
Posted on 12/15/16 at 4:35 pm to DaTroof
I'm late to this thread.
It actually is the Court's responsibility to rule if police activity is lawful. The Courts routinely throw out cases that don't meet the community standard if whatever crime they are ruling upon.
Military is a different standard because they operate in situations where there is a breakdown of government.
It actually is the Court's responsibility to rule if police activity is lawful. The Courts routinely throw out cases that don't meet the community standard if whatever crime they are ruling upon.
Military is a different standard because they operate in situations where there is a breakdown of government.
Posted on 12/15/16 at 4:37 pm to DaTroof
Why are so many people mad at LEOs? It's judges who signs the warrants, sets the bonds, give the sentences. DAs are the ones that prosecute the suspects. People act like cops just kick in doors for no reason when a judge is the one that signs the warrant to do it.
Posted on 12/15/16 at 5:08 pm to sloggdogg81
Sheriff deputy in st. Tammany. We don't give a frick about weed. We care way more about heroin or meth.
Also if we disobey orders we get fricked. I don't want my backup dragging arse in a 108 or 10-55 situation because I told someone not to enforce a law. A law is a law.I do not make the laws. I enforce them. If I show up to your house you best bet I have a reason to be there. No one comes 10-8 and thinks man, I'm going to arrest Jimmy at 123 O'Neal today because I feel like it.
If you don't like a law then contact someone. They are always changing laws to the point where the assault category in the Louisiana rs has like 20 different types. If you want weed legal you have 2 opportunities to make that happen in the past 3 years. I'd be happy as hell if it was legal as would just about every officer in the nation.
Also if we disobey orders we get fricked. I don't want my backup dragging arse in a 108 or 10-55 situation because I told someone not to enforce a law. A law is a law.I do not make the laws. I enforce them. If I show up to your house you best bet I have a reason to be there. No one comes 10-8 and thinks man, I'm going to arrest Jimmy at 123 O'Neal today because I feel like it.
If you don't like a law then contact someone. They are always changing laws to the point where the assault category in the Louisiana rs has like 20 different types. If you want weed legal you have 2 opportunities to make that happen in the past 3 years. I'd be happy as hell if it was legal as would just about every officer in the nation.
Posted on 12/15/16 at 5:17 pm to teddy roosevelt
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Sheriff deputy in st. Tammany. We don't give a frick about weed.
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A law is a law.I do not make the laws. I enforce them.
So which one is it? Do you enforce the law or not give a frick?
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If you want weed legal you have 2 opportunities to make that happen in the past 3 years
We don't have voter referendums or ballot initiatives in this state so it's more complicated than you make it sound. We cant vote on something that gets shot down in committee.
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I'd be happy as hell if it was legal as would just about every officer in the nation.
Then why do you all not bring this up to the Louisiana Sheriffs association?
This post was edited on 12/15/16 at 5:20 pm
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