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re: A guy goes to school just for the student loan cash

Posted on 3/3/14 at 1:50 pm to
Posted by Johnny4lsu
Opelousas, LA
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Posted on 3/3/14 at 1:50 pm to
Posted by Teddy Ruxpin
Member since Oct 2006
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Posted on 3/3/14 at 1:51 pm to
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Just like the housing market people did it for years, then boom, started defaulting.




What's interesting is it's (nearly) impossible to default on a federal loan if you sign up for the various programs.

However, your tax bill in 25 years will be huge
This post was edited on 3/3/14 at 1:53 pm
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 3/3/14 at 1:52 pm to
There are more than 37 million people in this country that have outstanding student loan debt.

The total is over $1 TRILLION dollars now.

$900 Billion is federal student loan debt. AND YOU CANNOT DEFAULT ON FEDERAL STUDENT LOANS. You're fricked. It will never leave you until you pay it and it grows.

$90 Billion is considered past due.

Average person owes $25,000 (the AVERAGE).

This is going to get scary.

LINK

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Who borrows/has borrowed?
Among all 2007-08 bachelor's degree recipients:
• 66% graduated with some education debt, while 10% had borrowed $40,000 or more.
• 62% at public four-year institutions borrowed.
• 72% at private nonprofit four-year institutions borrowed.
• 96% at private for-profit institutions borrowed.

Associate’s degree and certificate recipients, 2007-08:
• 38% of associate’s degree recipients at public institutions borrowed.
• 98% of associate’s degree recipients at private for-profit institutions borrowed.
• 30% of certificate recipients at public institutions borrowed.
• 90% of certificate recipients at private for-profit institutions borrowed.

Among students who earned graduate degrees in 2007-08:
• 26% had no education debt at all.
• 14% had undergraduate debt but no graduate school debt.
• 7% had borrowed $80,000 or more for graduate school.
• 5% had borrowed between $60,000 and $79,999.
(Source: The College Board)

The majority of borrowers still paying back their loans are in their 30s or older. Of the 37 million Americans with outstanding student loan debt:
• Almost 40% of these borrowers are under the age of 30.
• Nearly 42% are between the ages of 30 and 50.
• 17% are older than 50.
• Borrowers age 30-39 carry $307 billion in student loans, followed by those under 30 at $292 billion, $154 billion in the 40-49 age group, 50-59 at $106 billion and the over 60 category carrying $43 billion, for a total outstanding debt of $902 billion.


This post was edited on 3/3/14 at 1:54 pm
Posted by Teddy Ruxpin
Member since Oct 2006
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Posted on 3/3/14 at 1:56 pm to
Defaults don't tell the whole story. Just wait until loan forgiveness starts kicking in around 2035. The government is going to eat a lot of money and then again when people don't pay the tax bill. The tax bill would theoretically convert the student loan debt to a dischargeable debt via bankruptcy.
This post was edited on 3/3/14 at 1:58 pm
Posted by JS87
Member since Aug 2010
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Posted on 3/3/14 at 1:57 pm to
Unless you die.

Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 3/3/14 at 2:01 pm to
So happy I'm not in debt, but having 37 million people in this country in student loan debt is not good for the banks and whats not good for the banks is not good for everyone in this case IMO.

Super worried about this in 20 years though, not next year. In the present I just want to selfishly root for low mortgage rates.
Posted by jimbeam
University of LSU
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 3/3/14 at 2:01 pm to
student loans are the biggest crock of shite ever
Posted by lsuhunt555
Teakwood Village Breh
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Posted on 3/3/14 at 2:11 pm to
So because this cat wont just go get a job, hell be in debt until he dies?
Posted by RebelOP
Misty Mountain Top
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 3/3/14 at 2:14 pm to
Then the govt (public) will be stuck footing the bill.

Yeah, that's how it works in a nutshell.
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
76774 posts
Posted on 3/3/14 at 2:15 pm to
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So because this cat wont just go get a job, hell be in debt until he dies?



yep

Should probably just shoot him in the head and seize everything he owns and give it to the bank.
Posted by Teddy Ruxpin
Member since Oct 2006
39566 posts
Posted on 3/3/14 at 2:20 pm to
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So because this cat wont just go get a job, hell be in debt until he dies?



No. Federal loan forgiveness takes place in 25 years for loans before 2014, 20 years for loans after. However, you pay an "income tax bomb" on the forgiven amount. This is a serious issue in the future. But, if he can pay his tax bill, he'll be fine, or he'll file bankruptcy at that time.

For public service, forgiveness comes in 10 years with no income tax liability.
This post was edited on 3/3/14 at 2:21 pm
Posted by whistlindixie
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2007
106 posts
Posted on 3/3/14 at 2:32 pm to
The housing market is about 20x bigger. Real estate is collateral for loans but housing loans can be discharged through giving in payment of the collateral or bankruptcy.

This is a whole different beast than any housing market. You're basically creating a limited indentured servitude for most Americans to move up or maintain their class standing. Which to me is the very antithesis of America.
Posted by Big_Al_316
Mobile, AL
Member since Jan 2005
3137 posts
Posted on 3/3/14 at 2:42 pm to
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96% at private for-profit institutions borrowed.


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90% of certificate recipients at private for-profit institutions borrowed.


The for-profits are targeting people so that they can get the money. People who have no business in school, being told that they can get a certain level job, which they wont really be qualified for.

So the "student" will never be able to repay the loan.
Posted by BulldogXero
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 3/3/14 at 2:54 pm to
Im friends with a guy that did that :p
Posted by Teddy Ruxpin
Member since Oct 2006
39566 posts
Posted on 3/3/14 at 2:58 pm to
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Im friends with a guy that did that :p



Discharging student loan debt in bankruptcy is POSSIBLE, it is just so difficult it isn't a viable strategy for the majority of borrowers in default.
This post was edited on 3/3/14 at 2:59 pm
Posted by whodatdude
Member since Feb 2011
1372 posts
Posted on 3/3/14 at 3:00 pm to
This is going to bite these people in the arse for speaking in this article. Basically, they admitted to using funds for non-education expenses. That is in direct violation of the MPN and the govt can now demand immediate full repayment for the amounts borrowed (i.e. take their tax refunds, garnish wages, no deferment, etc).
Posted by Wally Sparks
Atlanta
Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 3/3/14 at 3:06 pm to
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For public service, forgiveness comes in 10 years with no income tax liability.
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 3/3/14 at 3:08 pm to
I knew a guy on a full academic scholarship who would take out student loans and invest them in federal land bank bonds. He made a few points on the spread.
Posted by RebelOP
Misty Mountain Top
Member since Jun 2013
12478 posts
Posted on 3/3/14 at 3:10 pm to
How the hell did he get student loans if he was on academic scholarship?
Posted by Teddy Ruxpin
Member since Oct 2006
39566 posts
Posted on 3/3/14 at 3:13 pm to
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I knew a guy on a full academic scholarship who would take out student loans and invest them in federal land bank bonds. He made a few points on the spread.



Know how I know you're old?

You could do that for much of 90s because the student loan rate was in the shitter (< 3% if I recall correctly). But for people my age (28), the rate was 6.8 or more, especially for graduate school. I think the lowest was 3.4% or so.
This post was edited on 3/3/14 at 3:15 pm
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