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re: 35 Practical Steps Men Can Take To Support Feminism
Posted on 6/18/14 at 11:13 am to GRTiger
Posted on 6/18/14 at 11:13 am to GRTiger
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17. Be responsible for your own health.
Men go to the doctor less often than women for issues troubling them, and when they do, it’s often at the urging of women in their lives. To have a long and healthy partnered life for both you and your spouse means being responsible for your own health, noting any issues, and taking them seriously. Since we’re dependent on one another, your long-term health is also her long-term health.
This is the End-all and Be-all of the "everything is about me" mentality.
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Posted on 6/18/14 at 11:14 am to GRTiger
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2. Do 50% (or more) of emotional support work in your intimate relationships and friendships.
Recognize that women are disproportionately responsible for emotional labour and that being responsible for this takes away time and energy from things they find fulfilling.
WTF does this even mean? Emotional labor?
Posted on 6/18/14 at 11:15 am to Mo Jeaux
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No more bullshite arguments with respect to feminism. But that's a lot to ask, apparently.
I posted a direct response to someone talking about selective service, and you said it was meaningless because their's no draft. If you're trying to avoid bullshite, try to avoid looking in the mirror.
Posted on 6/18/14 at 11:16 am to GeauxldnGurl
quote:baby her during PMS
WTF does this even mean? Emotional labor?
no sexual reference during period
flowers and handwritten notes on construction paper at least once a week
Posted on 6/18/14 at 11:16 am to LesMiles BFF
The health thing gets to me sometimes because guys really don't take care of themselves (statistically).
It's not that it's about me, really. It's more that I love my SO and want to live a long, happy life with him. That means taking care of ourselves, and I'm supportive of that.
Who would want to date someone that doesn't take care of himself or herself? To me, if I were to let myself go and not care for myself, I would be disrespecting my SO and myself. I think it should be the same way for guys.
It's not that it's about me, really. It's more that I love my SO and want to live a long, happy life with him. That means taking care of ourselves, and I'm supportive of that.
Who would want to date someone that doesn't take care of himself or herself? To me, if I were to let myself go and not care for myself, I would be disrespecting my SO and myself. I think it should be the same way for guys.
Posted on 6/18/14 at 11:16 am to GoGeauxGaux
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will NEVER take feminism seriously until they fight to be included in the selective service draft, ...
Good news, the vast majority of feminist groups either oppose selective service for all people or support the inclusion of women.
Right, if I was an xojane type I would do the same. For whatever reason, some men get fixated on the draft thing. But it doesn't actually matter, because there is no draft, and there never will be again; the next war will be nukes or drones. So it's a big symbolic "give" but realistically makes no difference whatsoever. OK, you want women to be eligible for the imaginary, nonexistent draft? No problem. Now let's go on to the other 34 things on my list.
Posted on 6/18/14 at 11:17 am to GeauxldnGurl
It means don't let shite die and make everything a bigger deal than it needs to be
Posted on 6/18/14 at 11:17 am to GoGeauxGaux
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It's just a talking point
Based on a false stat.
Posted on 6/18/14 at 11:17 am to GoGeauxGaux
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If you don't want to donate your income then don't do it. Or if you want to donate a smaller amount, then do that. The author isn't trying to force anyone to do anything. You all are acting like she's trying to legislate that you HAVE to give 23% of your paycheck directly to NOW or something. It's just a talking point, not an order, but everyone is intentionally overreacting.
It's a ridiculous point. She's encouraging men to give to social justice causes to make up for an inaccurately stated wage gap.
I think women should repay to charity the value of meals and drinks men buy for them, on a yearly basis. Let's make the donations out to Wounded Warrior or some other military organization radical feminists probably abhor.
Posted on 6/18/14 at 11:17 am to GRTiger
From the comments....
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I always asked my partners to pony up for any non-barrier contraception as well as any medications I needed to treat yeast infection or UTIs which occurred from sex. This was never received well.
Posted on 6/18/14 at 11:18 am to GRTiger
I will occasionally make my own sammich, and when I do, I will usually leave the bread out for her, if she wants to make herself a sammich. I didn't see that on the list, but can I assume that it counts towards supporting feminism?
Posted on 6/18/14 at 11:19 am to GoGeauxGaux
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you said it was meaningless because their's no draft. If you're trying to avoid bullshite, try to avoid looking in the mirror.
It is meaningless. There is no draft. How is that bullshite? It's true.
Posted on 6/18/14 at 11:19 am to GoGeauxGaux
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There's a few good ones (#4 is a good one, same with finding female montors as well). But there's plenty of straight up asinine ones. The 77% stat, men pay 100% for birth control, etc.
If you don't want to donate your income then don't do it. Or if you want to donate a smaller amount, then do that. The author isn't trying to force anyone to do anything. You all are acting like she's trying to legislate that you HAVE to give 23% of your paycheck directly to NOW or something. It's just a talking point, not an order, but everyone is intentionally overreacting.
I would do this, but I already gave half my money to the black man for the hardships his ancestors endured at the hands of my ancestors.
Posted on 6/18/14 at 11:19 am to LSU0812
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The health thing gets to me sometimes because guys really don't take care of themselves (statistically).
It's not that it's about me, really. It's more that I love my SO and want to live a long, happy life with him. That means taking care of ourselves, and I'm supportive of that.
Who would want to date someone that doesn't take care of himself or herself? To me, if I were to let myself go and not care for myself, I would be disrespecting my SO and myself. I think it should be the same way for guys.
but to take that issue and somehow apply it to feminism is quite a stretch.
Posted on 6/18/14 at 11:19 am to GeauxldnGurl
Emotional labor - actually care about special dates and put forth a little effort to make a woman feel special.
That's what I got from it, which really shouldn't be difficult for a man who loves a woman. It should come pretty naturally.
That's what I got from it, which really shouldn't be difficult for a man who loves a woman. It should come pretty naturally.
Posted on 6/18/14 at 11:21 am to LesMiles BFF
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but to take that issue and somehow apply it to feminism is quite a stretch.
I agree. Didn't really think about the application. Very good point.
Posted on 6/18/14 at 11:21 am to LSU0812
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Emotional labor - actually care about special dates and put forth a little effort to make a woman feel special. That's what I got from it, which really shouldn't be difficult for a man who loves a woman. It should come pretty naturally.
Hahahahahahahaha how's the Prius?
Posted on 6/18/14 at 11:22 am to LSU0812
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Emotional labor - actually care about special dates and put forth a little effort to make a woman feel special.
The problem here is that feminists by large ignore sex roles that come naturally to the huge majority of the population. There is nothing objectionable about saying "men, to make your relationship work, you should care about special dates and put forth more effort." But inherent in that is the idea that women are sentimental, men are less sentimental, and men should work to bridge that gap if they care about their SO. Nothing wrong with that, but it comes from a different position, not a "men are privileged and need to account for privilege" position.
Posted on 6/18/14 at 11:22 am to Cold Cous Cous
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No problem. Now let's go on to the other 34 things on my list.
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32. Be aware of the physical and emotional space you occupy, and don’t take up more space than you need.
Use your fair share of “air space” in conversations, give as much to relationships as you take, don’t sit with your legs splayed so that other people can’t comfortably sit next to you, etc.
Let's talk about #32 then.
The list goes from legitimate points to bitching about how men sit with their legs open.
I can't take it seriously.
Posted on 6/18/14 at 11:22 am to LSU0812
If women really only made 77 percent of what men make for the same job, why would anyone hire a man?
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