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re: % of positives in the hospital
Posted on 3/22/20 at 6:43 pm to Chef Free Gold Bloom
Posted on 3/22/20 at 6:43 pm to Chef Free Gold Bloom
I love how everyone in here is crying about how badly they want to know all of this, but they can't be bothered to google and find out. There is a CDC report with much of this information, and I linked it earlier in here.
I think it's difficult to get numbers for testing at this point since the federal government has opted out of coordinating the effort. Now there's a fragmented goat rodeo of different parties running their own testing efforts.
I think it's difficult to get numbers for testing at this point since the federal government has opted out of coordinating the effort. Now there's a fragmented goat rodeo of different parties running their own testing efforts.
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Posted on 3/22/20 at 6:45 pm to Ronaldo Burgundiaz
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the sky screaming hospital workers on the board make it seem like we are already overwhelmed.
Noticed that as well.
I will tell you the amount of PPE lacking is a serious issue at my little spot. The larger the hospital the worse it is. It is being locked down like narcotics. Of course we are talking equipment that is used for TB type isolation precautions. This is rarely used. And within 2 months it’s use has skyrocketed. No way to prepare for that.
Also, had the Ebola thing not happened a few years ago we would be double fricked. Many of the face shields and gowns and splash proof PPE is a result of that and still kept on hand for that. We went from NOBODY having an Ebola cart to everyone having an Ebola cart. Those carts have all been picked clean.
Posted on 3/22/20 at 6:48 pm to RabidTiger
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love how everyone in here is crying about how badly they want to know all of this
I want it reported by every news station so the idiot sheep will see the numbers.
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There is a CDC report with much of this information, and I linked it earlier in here.
I read the link. Half the questions I asked aren’t in there.
Even using your link and the cdc numbers,
These two quotes:
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older adults living in long-term care facilities (4). Overall, 31% of cases, 45% of hospitalizations, 53% of ICU admissions, and 80% of deaths associated with COVID-19 were among adults aged =65 years with the highest percentage of severe outcomes among persons aged =85 years. In contrast, no ICU admissions or deaths were reported among persons aged =19 years
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This first preliminary description of outcomes among patients with COVID-19 in the United States indicates that fatality was highest in persons aged =85, ranging from 10% to 27%, followed by 3% to 11% among persons aged 65–84 years, 1% to 3% among persons aged 55-64 years, <1% among persons aged 20–54 years, and no fatalities among persons aged =19 years
Are enough to prove the panic makes no sense and mandatory shelter in place and it’s effect on the economy is worse than the virus itself.
Mandate everyone over 70 stay home and if you have a sick condition stay at home. No reason to crush the economy and bankrupt families all over the country. No data backs that up.
This post was edited on 3/22/20 at 6:54 pm
Posted on 3/22/20 at 7:06 pm to RabidTiger
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Even if the hospitalization rate turns out to be one percent, that's enough to absolutely swamp hospitals once you start talking about tens or hundreds of thousands of people contracting the virus.
Based on what? 1% of 100,000 is 1,000. Pretty sure the US could handle an influx of 1,000 patients without being swamped.
Posted on 3/22/20 at 7:09 pm to Pintail
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Based on what? 1% of 100,000 is 1,000. Pretty sure the US could handle an influx of 1,000 patients without being swamped.
In NY state so far:
Yesterday: 18% of 10,000+ cases were in hospitals.
Today: it was 14% of the 15,000+ cases in hospitals
Posted on 3/22/20 at 7:10 pm to wm72
the more we test, the farther it will drop as well
Posted on 3/22/20 at 7:24 pm to SloaneRanger
Our Lady of Lourdes in Lafayette doesn’t have a single person hospitalized for it.
Posted on 3/22/20 at 7:34 pm to Salmon
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the more we test, the farther it will drop as well
We need to massively roll out testing just to quash the panic
Posted on 3/22/20 at 7:38 pm to TigahFan4Life
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A lot more than you will ever know. Politics has a lot to do with it. Stay home. Don’t risk exposure to people that can’t handle the virus
Why would people who can't handle the virus be out and about? I'm not going in their house. I'm not getting within 6 ft of them for 15-20 mins. How am I going to infect them.
Posted on 3/22/20 at 7:41 pm to Adajax
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Stay home. Don’t risk exposure to people that can’t handle the virus
Why do I have to stay home?
Why can’t they stay home?
If you can’t handle this virus you shouldn’t be out.
Posted on 3/22/20 at 7:42 pm to SloaneRanger
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started a thread on this yesterday, but the JBE thread has me asking the question again: What percentage of positive cases are requiring hospitalization? I am starting to believe that this information is being withheld on purpose. We now have 157 cases here in AL. Do we have 50 people in the hospital for this or 5? Because if all but a few are home sleeping it off and taking Tylenol it impacts my view of this thing and the counter measures we should be taking.
Isn’t it an 80-20 split or something like that for fine to sleep it off vs need treatment. And about a quarter of the 20% turn out very serious.
Posted on 3/22/20 at 7:45 pm to Chef Free Gold Bloom
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No reason to crush the economy and bankrupt families all over the country. No data backs that up.
Honest question- how bad would it have to get for you to support these actions? I’ve found a lot of the folks poking holes in the data couldn’t care less about the actual numbers and just don’t believe this should pretty much ever be done. Save time cutting to the chase instead of going in circles with daily updates, if that’s the case here.
Posted on 3/22/20 at 7:46 pm to SloaneRanger
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What percentage of positive cases are requiring hospitalization?
Let me know if you find this number anywhere
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starting to believe that this information is being withheld on purpose
Absolutely without a doubt.
I have yet to see a single news outlet report:
Total positive cases requiring hospitalization
Total cases tested
Total cases tested by day
Total negative cases
Not a single outlet. Anywhere.
This post was edited on 3/22/20 at 7:47 pm
Posted on 3/22/20 at 7:52 pm to NoSaint
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The novel coronavirus continues to spread through Washington, and more COVID-19 diagnoses are made each day. The state Department of Health announced 269 newly confirmed cases Saturday, bringing the state total to 1,996 cases, including 95 deaths. The bulk of cases remain in King County, which has seen 1040 people fall ill and 75 die.
Not sure about % requiring hospitalizations. One interesting data point from one King Count hospital last week
"At least 65 patients have arrived at the hospital for treatment, and 15 have died"
Posted on 3/22/20 at 7:55 pm to NoSaint
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how bad would it have to get for you to support these actions?
Which actions specifically?
The government can and should advise the populace. They can recommend things and the public sector can do whatever it wants. If they want to shut down public parks and schools and museums so be it. That’s what they’re elected to do.
But meddling in private enterprise? Banning peaceful assembly? Regulating who can and cannot stay open? Government mandated and enforced month long quarantine?
I don’t know if I’d ever support that to be honest with you.
I am a very strong believer in freedom and personal responsibility. If you’re too stupid to take the proper precautions then you will deal with the consequences.
Pretty much every stat for this virus says if you wash your hands and socially distance yourselves using common sense you’ll be fine. And if you do none of that and are between the ages of 0-70 and relatively healthy you’ll be fine anyway.
So if you’re sick, immunocompromised, unhealthy, or over 70 stay at home.
If you don’t fall into one of those categories then use common sense and wash your hands.
Sickness and Death happens in this world. Life is nasty, brutish, and short.
If a virus was bad enough to require months long stay at home quarantine I have enough faith in the collective conscious to take the proper precautions. And if we don’t, after a while, we will one way or the other.
The government has never and will never be in the business of giving power back. But they are constantly testing limits and re-evaluating what they can get away with. Citizens have to keep their government in check.
I have been studying politics, history, world governments, and policy my entire life. I have multiple undergrad degrees and a masters in these fields.
Militarized federal government turned on its citizens never ever turns out well.
Freedom is important. Personal responsibility is paramount to a free society. The government cannot and will never been able to legislate or replace personal responsibility.
This post was edited on 3/22/20 at 8:00 pm
Posted on 3/22/20 at 8:02 pm to SloaneRanger
I'm working in our hospital data (literally multitasking that and procrastinating on here) to get the negatives and we don't even have a good number in our EMR systems.
For us, the issue is that diagnosis codes aren't assigned to patients for what they don't have and the tests don't have reliable/active procedure codes in most EMRs. Adding codes is a MUCH bigger lift than people realize.
Anyways, we're getting there, but this isn't retroactive so we won't see the negatives that have already happened.
Anecdotally, we're seeing less than a 10% positive rate on tests. That's from a few ER directors I was on a call with.
For us, the issue is that diagnosis codes aren't assigned to patients for what they don't have and the tests don't have reliable/active procedure codes in most EMRs. Adding codes is a MUCH bigger lift than people realize.
Anyways, we're getting there, but this isn't retroactive so we won't see the negatives that have already happened.
Anecdotally, we're seeing less than a 10% positive rate on tests. That's from a few ER directors I was on a call with.
Posted on 3/22/20 at 8:03 pm to SloaneRanger
If they told you that number you wouldn’t be scared and you wouldn’t listen to what they are saying
Fear is a great motivator
Fear is a great motivator
Posted on 3/22/20 at 8:04 pm to SloaneRanger
Media doesn’t report good news. Doesn’t fit the narrative
Posted on 3/22/20 at 8:15 pm to SloaneRanger
I posted about this earlier. I am not in the medical field but half the people on my street are doctors etc. Significant portion of our good friends work in medical field including my best friends. We all talk.
Even when Mobile somehow had no cases the infirmary was out of respiratory equipment and Springhill hospital was not taking new patients.
Doctors were seriously worried about system getting overloaded. That was a week ago.
I am giving some of my N95 mask to our doctors as they ran out last week.
Even when Mobile somehow had no cases the infirmary was out of respiratory equipment and Springhill hospital was not taking new patients.
Doctors were seriously worried about system getting overloaded. That was a week ago.
I am giving some of my N95 mask to our doctors as they ran out last week.
Posted on 3/22/20 at 8:17 pm to Chef Free Gold Bloom
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Why do I have to stay home?
How else are you going to shite-post on the OT?
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