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re: Why didn't we rest Jimmy Graham when injured?
Posted on 2/2/15 at 12:57 pm to goatman1419
Posted on 2/2/15 at 12:57 pm to goatman1419
You are always good for a laugh.
Wait, you claim he got paid then soft and point to before he got paid...
Saints fans put him in the pro bowl
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Graham got paid and got soft period.
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Look back at the Seattle playoff game vs what gronk did last night and you'll quickly realize graham isn't anything more than a over paid over hyped gimmick that needs to take a pay cut.
Wait, you claim he got paid then soft and point to before he got paid...
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Anyone that says different is purely a homer.
Saints fans put him in the pro bowl
This post was edited on 2/2/15 at 12:59 pm
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Posted on 2/2/15 at 3:52 pm to TigerBait1127
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Wait, you claim he got paid then soft and point to before he got paid...
He's always been soft was my point. Can you give me examples of when he wasn't soft because I can give you a bunch when he was.
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Saints fans put him in the pro bowl
If you could read I also said he was a gimmick a name. Pro bowl means absolutely shite. Ingram started the pro bowl this year if you need proof.
Posted on 2/2/15 at 4:23 pm to goatman1419
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He's always been soft was my point.
So what did his pay have to do with it?
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Can you give me examples of when he wasn't soft because I can give you a bunch when he was.
The last 2 seasons when he played through injury.
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If you could read I also said he was a gimmick a name.
Wtf does that even mean?
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. Pro bowl means absolutely shite. Ingram started the pro bowl this year if you need proof.
I don't really disagree with that, but his selection to it was completely different than Ingram's.
Also, he was just 1st team all-pro last year. No biggie
Posted on 2/2/15 at 6:28 pm to TigerBait1127
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So what did his pay have to do with it?
It made him more soft. Did you watch this season at all??
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The last 2 seasons when he played through injury.
So did every NFL player. Next excuse????
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Also, he was just 1st team all-pro last year. No biggie
Exactly.....a name a gimmick. What did he do to deserve all-pro?? His excellent blocking or all the alligator arm catches he almost made??
Here's a link for you. It's a ranking of players taking in all aspect of each position. Read it then come back and tell me he deserved to be All anything.
LINK
Not so funny now huh there buddy???
This post was edited on 2/2/15 at 6:29 pm
Posted on 2/2/15 at 6:42 pm to goatman1419
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Exactly.....a name a gimmick. What did he do to deserve all-pro?? His excellent blocking or all the alligator arm catches he almost made??
Lead the entire NFL in TDs, lead all TE's in yards, that kind of stuff.
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Here's a link for you. It's a ranking of players taking in all aspect of each position. Read it then come back and tell me he deserved to be All anything.
Uh, he's in 1st for his all-pro year
LINK
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Not so funny now huh there buddy???
No, you're hysterical. Same with your Drew's losing arm strength argument.
This post was edited on 2/2/15 at 6:45 pm
Posted on 2/2/15 at 6:55 pm to TigerBait1127
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Lead the entire NFL in TDs, lead all TE's in yards, that kind of stuff.
Show me where he led anything last year please. You're making things up now. You are reaching.
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Uh, he's in 1st for his all-pro year
Oh so you can bring up the past yet I cant??
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No, you're hysterical. Same with your Drew's losing arm strength argument.
Im hysterical?? What did you do to prove me wrong that Jimmy Graham is soft and overrated except to further prove my point. You live in a Saints fantasy land that's it. Come here with some facts and proof as I did. Please prove me wrong I really wish as a Saints fan you could but you can't because it's true.
And to try to say Brees hasn't lost some zip as a man closing in on 40 makes you look silly. But I guess we should just overlook him almost leading the league in INT's. Compare his stats with Brady's Mannings Romo's which are close to his age and tell me he isn't losing something. Take the black and gold glasses off bro Seriously
Posted on 2/2/15 at 7:07 pm to goatman1419
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Show me where he led anything last year please. You're making things up now. You are reaching.
Do you realize when he made all-pro?
Last year meaning the previous season
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Oh so you can bring up the past yet I cant??
You're an idiot.
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And to try to say Brees hasn't lost some zip as a man closing in on 40 makes you look silly. But I guess we should just overlook him almost leading the league in INT's. Compare his stats with Brady's Mannings Romo's which are close to his age and tell me he isn't losing something. Take the black and gold glasses off bro Seriously
You've never let facts get in the way of your points before, so I doubt you'll start now
Posted on 2/2/15 at 7:07 pm to goatman1419
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https://www.canalstreetchronicles.com/2014/4/28/5658948/saints-jimmy-graham-tight-end-roundtable
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Just Google is Jimmy Graham soft and look at the pages of articles debating this topic. Then Google is Gronk soft.......see any difference?? Seems alot of people bring up the soft subject only about Graham. But I'm sure you could say all these writers, NFL players, scouts and many average fans they are laughable and make it all go away.
Posted on 2/2/15 at 7:11 pm to goatman1419
Seattle talked shite about Gronk too
Didn't the players vote him in the top 10 of all players last year?
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Anyways, I'm out. Nothing I say will change your mind when you make statements like this:
Enjoy Prairieville
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“I actually don’t think he’s that good,” Lane said. “He’s OK.”
Gronkowski, a two-time All-Pro, caught 82 passes for 1,124 yards and 12 touchdowns on the season, rebounding from a 2013 season where he missed nine games due to injury. But Lane said that he thought the key to stopping the 6-foot-6, 265-pounder was getting physical with him.
“He does have a big body,” Lane said, “but from what I’ve seen on tape, he doesn’t like you putting your hands on him. So if we put our hands on him and shake him up a little big, he won’t catch that many balls.”
Didn't the players vote him in the top 10 of all players last year?
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Anyways, I'm out. Nothing I say will change your mind when you make statements like this:
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Again it's laughable to use the pressure as a reason to say its the reason his int numbers are so high
Enjoy Prairieville
This post was edited on 2/2/15 at 7:16 pm
Posted on 2/2/15 at 7:30 pm to TigerBait1127
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You've never let facts get in the way of your points before, so I doubt you'll start now
Really what fact was I wrong on in the Jimmy statement or the Brees statement. Go back and reread man jesus.
2014 Brees 6th in total QB rating being Brady Romo and Manning. Comes in tie for second to last with most pics thrown.
2013 Brees ranks 6th in total QB rating. Tied for 8th In most pics thrown.
2012 Brees ranks 8th in TQR 1st in most pics
2011 ranks 2nd in TQR and is tied for 8th LOWEST ints thrown
Man I tell you lookong there seems you are right I pay no attention to the facts nor do I bring any to the table. Sure seems his stats are getting worse and worse but hey I'm sure you have some opinion to throw out with zero facts or you can call me more names. Which you choose.
Again Brees is losing his skills at a faster rate than other qb's his age. And Jimmy Graham is soft. Both I proven with hard cold facts. You can try to twist them and bring up 5 years ago and call me names but you sir haven't proven one thing in this debate besides your opinion is lacking major football knowledge.
Posted on 2/2/15 at 7:33 pm to TigerBait1127
Haha again you're laughable. Do I need to bring up gronk career number vs Seattle and Jimmys?? Glad you coukd find one article out of 100's saying he's soft to try to prove your weak point. Did Boston's newspaper also have a round table discussion if Grove k is soft? No but our cities paper had one hhhhhmmmmmmm???
Posted on 2/2/15 at 7:44 pm to TigerBait1127
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Again it's laughable to use the pressure as a reason to say its the reason his int numbers are so high
Again your opinion is dead wrong.
2014 Saints ranked 13th in sacks
23rd in qb getting hit
2013 Saints ranked 11th in sacks
22nd in qb getting hit
2012 Saints rank 24th in sacks
29th in hit qbs
So yet again brees is getting hit way Less than average qb compared to the rest of the league. He's getting sacks in bottom 3rd of the league. So again you are proven wrong again by facts not your blind emotional opinion.
Posted on 2/2/15 at 7:46 pm to goatman1419
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Again your opinion is dead wrong.
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So yet again brees is getting hit way Less than average qb compared to the rest of the league. He's getting sacks in bottom 3rd of the league. So again you are proven wrong again by facts not your blind emotional opinion.
You realize I said pressures right? Brees is really good at avoiding sacks and hits. He's one of the best in the NFL at it.
Drew Brees had the 5th most pressures in the NFL despite getting rid of the ball faster than normal.
This has all been explained to you before
This post was edited on 2/2/15 at 7:47 pm
Posted on 2/2/15 at 7:46 pm to TigerBait1127
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Enjoy Prairieville
Bye bye now I'd run too if my opinion was shot to hell by facts. Have a nice life in fantasy world
Posted on 2/2/15 at 7:47 pm to goatman1419
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Bye bye now I'd run too if my opinion was shot to hell by facts. Have a nice life in fantasy world
What facts were those?
Brees had the 5th most pressures in the NFL...
Posted on 2/2/15 at 8:07 pm to goatman1419
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Again Brees is losing his skills at a faster rate than other qb's his age. And Jimmy Graham is soft. Both I proven with hard cold facts.
it's funny cause you don't know what a fact is
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Just Google is Jimmy Graham soft and look at the pages of articles debating this topic. Then Google is Gronk soft.......see any difference??
can't dispute the facts
This post was edited on 2/2/15 at 8:08 pm
Posted on 2/2/15 at 8:33 pm to goatman1419
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2014 Brees 6th in total QB rating being Brady Romo and Manning. Comes in tie for second to last with most pics thrown.
2013 Brees ranks 6th in total QB rating. Tied for 8th In most pics thrown.
2012 Brees ranks 8th in TQR 1st in most pics
2011 ranks 2nd in TQR and is tied for 8th LOWEST ints thrown
This is where you can get in trouble if you do not understand statistics. Brees typically is among the leaders in passes attempted Naturally, that can tend to lead to more stats for and against the player. And while he doe shave bad years from time to time, you cannot base where they rank purely based on stats.
2014: Brees was tied for 18th in Int/pass w/ 2.6% (Peyton was at 2.5%, Eli was at 2.4%, Romo 2.1%, Brady 1.5%)
2013: Brees was tied for 7th w/ 1.8% ( Peyton 1.5%, Eli 4.9%, Romo 1.9%, Brady 1.8%)
2012: Brees was tied for 18th w/ 2.8% ( Peyton 1.9%, Eli 2.8%, Romo 2.9%, Brady 1.3%)
2011: Brees was tied for 6th w/ 2.1% ( Peyton DNP, Eli 2.7%, Romo 1.9%, Brady 2.0%)
Most people would get caught up in the standings and how he compares to other QBs; however, the true statistic is that over the past 4 years he has fluctuated between 1.8% & 2.8%. When you look over his entire career, you will notice that in most (9 of 14) of his years, he falls within that 1% deviation. The other years, he was either over that or only threw 27 passes.
Posted on 2/2/15 at 8:37 pm to Weekend Warrior79
I really do think interception % is a much better stat. Glad to see other people using it
Posted on 2/2/15 at 10:50 pm to TigerBait1127
So sacks and hits don't matter but pressures do?? So drew is rattled by pressure not hits and sacks????
Ok.........keep holding on buddy.
Ok.........keep holding on buddy.
Posted on 2/2/15 at 11:07 pm to drake20
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can't dispute the facts
If there's smoke there's fire. The point I was making was it's not just me that thinks, sees, and believes the evidence that he's a soft player.
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it's funny cause you don't know what a fact is
Really how many stats from the NFL that are facts do I have to type?? Here's another. Last year Jimmy had 124 targets with a drop percentage of 6.5%. Which is the highest in the league with +/- 10 targets within graham.
Here another. Graham ranks 25th in the league in fumbles by non qb position. So he drops the ball more than anyone in comparison and if he catches it he's in the top 1 percent of ball handlers in fumbles. Man sure doesn't sound soft to me.
This post was edited on 2/2/15 at 11:49 pm
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