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Where would we be if Gregg WillIams was still here
Posted on 7/3/17 at 11:40 pm
Posted on 7/3/17 at 11:40 pm
I'd say at least 2 more super bowls.
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Posted on 7/3/17 at 11:50 pm to CajunsTigersSaints
If Roman Harper had not laid an egg in 2011 on Vernon Davis 1 more for sure!
Posted on 7/4/17 at 12:04 am to Tigeralltheway
Malcom Jenkins gave up a 47 yard reception to Davis a couple plays before that put them in position to score.
Posted on 7/4/17 at 12:10 am to 1BamaRTR
I blame that lost on MJ giving up that long catch and run by Davis.
Posted on 7/4/17 at 12:15 am to CajunsTigersSaints
We let Alex smith wreck us.
Posted on 7/4/17 at 6:59 am to 1BamaRTR
Our blitzing became predictable that game.
Leaving Davis one on one. Foolish calls at that point in the game.
Leaving Davis one on one. Foolish calls at that point in the game.
Posted on 7/4/17 at 7:22 am to thermal9221
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Our blitzing became predictable that game.
Leaving Davis one on one. Foolish calls at that point in the game.
The game had already been lost by then due to no RB's beung healthy enough to play. Put a pressure point on the D that the niners exploited.
That said, I'd say at least one more SB appearance maybe two with a win at least one more time
Posted on 7/4/17 at 7:54 am to thermal9221
Our blitzing was predictable in general. Williams had been figured out.
This post was edited on 7/4/17 at 9:47 am
Posted on 7/4/17 at 9:34 am to 1BamaRTR
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Malcom Jenkins gave up a 47 yard reception to Davis a couple plays before that put them in position to score.
That play hurt... If only Roman Harper wouldn't have missed the tackle at the 40yd line on the same play either... maybe they would have been forced to attempt a FG or who knows... one of the hardest loses to swallow for me as a saints fan personally considering we would have played the Giants (who we destroyed earlier that season) in the dome to go to the SuperBowl...
Posted on 7/4/17 at 10:40 am to BengalShark
That was a brutal loss! One I can never watch again. Wasted one of the best seasons ever by a qb.
Posted on 7/4/17 at 11:25 am to CajunsTigersSaints
Probably talking about where we'd be with whatever DC the Rams had after you watched All or Nothing
Posted on 7/4/17 at 11:29 am to AmosMosesAndTwins
I was thinking the same thing. 
Posted on 7/4/17 at 1:43 pm to CajunsTigersSaints
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I blame that lost on MJ giving up that long catch and run by Davis.
Guess what? Williams had blitzed on that play which set up the Jenkins on Davis match up. The play before, Williams called a blitz. Had Alex Smith not made such a poor throw, Jabri Greer would have been burned for a long pass & possibly a TD. Every poster who is saying Williams blitzes had become predictable, are correct. It wasn't just that he was predictable, it is absolutely ridiculous to blitz in that situation when a long pass is what the 49ers needed. Williams did everything possible to provide them with that opportunity.
It appears some fans need a refresher on that final drive. The 49ers got the ball back with 1:32 left on the clock from their own 14 yard line. The defense played zone on the first 2 plays of that drive which resulted in back to back check downs to Frank Gore. The two plays netted 19 yards, getting the 49ers out to their own 33 yard line. The yardage was meaningless. The time that had run off meant everything. Alex Smith snapped the ball on the 3rd play of the drive with :45 remaining. 47 seconds had run off the clock in 2 plays. The zone coverages had done its job. Then on the 3rd play, Williams calls for the blitz where Greer almost gets burned but the pass is incomplete.(Greer also got away with an armbar when he realized he was about to get beat. Watch the replay.) There were only 40 seconds left after the incomplete pass. After almost getting burned with a blitz, common sense says go back to a zone. Not Williams. He blitzes again allowing Vernon Davis a free release right down the middle against Jenkins. People are bashing Jenkins but they are forgetting Davis was a physical freak. (6'3 250 lbs who ran a 4.38) Jenkins was not gonna run stride for stride with Davis having a free release off the line of scrimmage. The game was over after that play.
2012 Playoffs. 49ers final drive
I knew the 49ers would score a TD at that point. Anyone defending Williams at this point is only doing so based off 2009. By 2011, he was a liability. He almost cost us games at Tennessee & Atlanta earlier in the regular season with similar mind blowing dumb play calling at the end of those games. It was only foreshadowing to the ending of the 49ers playoff game a few months later.
This post was edited on 7/4/17 at 2:57 pm
Posted on 7/4/17 at 1:44 pm to CajunsTigersSaints
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I'd say at least 2 more super bowls.
This is bullshite. Williams cost us a Super Bowl in his final year. His game plan at Seattle in 2010-11 was downright stupid as well.
This post was edited on 7/4/17 at 1:48 pm
Posted on 7/8/17 at 9:39 pm to BigBrod81
Two more if not for this guy
Posted on 7/8/17 at 10:36 pm to Tigeralltheway
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If Roman Harper had not laid an egg in 2011 on Vernon Davis 1 more for sure!
5 turnovers by the Saints that day.
the opening drive when PT got knocked out of game to me may have been one of the most important plays of the game. Ingram was on the shelf already so then you lose PT and its basically just Sproles.. your in pass mode pretty much the whole game after that. Yeah Ivory was active but he hardly carried the ball. To get one dimensional on the road against a real good defense and fall behind in the turnover battle early on was what did it mainly.
and if I remember right the Saints had a few sacks that game because of blitzes. The down linemen weren't much of a factor rushing the passer. Martez Wilson got one sack I can clearly remember for whatever reason but the front four didn't get to the QB enough I don't recall.
Posted on 7/8/17 at 11:48 pm to LooseCannon22282
Rewatching the game now. Lost both Graham and Thomas on the first drive.
Posted on 7/9/17 at 10:06 am to LooseCannon22282
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5 turnovers by the Saints that day.
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To get one dimensional on the road against a real good defense and fall behind in the turnover battle early on was what did it mainly.
Normally, this is my line of thinking as well but not with this game. Despite turning it over 5 times, the offense still put up 32 points on the road against one of the best defenses the NFL has seen in the past 15 years.
The offense got the lead late. In the end, they did what they needed to do. If Williams continues to play situational football like he does on the first two plays of the final drive, the Saints would have been hosting the Giants for the NFCCG the following week.
Read my post & watch the highlights of the final drive again. The 49ers were at their own 33 with 40 seconds left with Alex Smith struggling to get plays called in a timely manner. They needed a chunk play to have any chance to win at that point & Williams gave them that opportunity with his blitzes. The blitz before the Davis catch & run where Greer was almost beaten deep should have scared Williams back into a zone shell but the arrogant son of bitch was just either too cocky or too stupid.
Something else I would like to point out. The 49ers had HFA & a bye while the Saints played the Lions Wild Card weekend. They had extra time to prep. I remember Harbaugh specifically saying after the game that the extra week gave them time to prepare for Williams blitzes packages. No play showed just how prepared they were than the Alex Smith TD run. That was not a lucky QB scramble. It was a designed QB sweep to the opposite side of the formation, away from an overloaded blitz called by Williams. The overload blitz had Vilma, Harper, Jenkins & Martez Wilson all lined up over the left side of the offensive formation. The give away that this was a designed play was the fact that Joe Staley immediately goes to the outside to lead block for Alex Smith around the left end from his LT position while (#10) WR Kyle Williams cracks back to block the DE, Will Smith on that play. It was a numbers game at that point. The 49ers ran away from the right side where the Saints had them outnumbered along the line of scrimmage, to where the 49ers had the numbers advantage on the left side due to the unbalanced alignment called by Williams. Once Smith passed the line of scrimmage, all Joe Staley had to was maul safety Isa Abdul-Quddus (#42) to complete the easy TD run.
Alex Smith's 28 yard TD run.
Williams had gotten real sloppy in terms of not disguising blitzes presnap. He made a habit of tipping his hand. The 49ers saw that, called a timeout & ran that specific play when Williams called the exact same overload blitz after the timeout. 49ers offensive coordinator Greg Roman had designed that play the week before in anticipation of one of Williams patented overload blitzes. Roman just so happened to get what he was looking for at a crucial moment in the game.
This post was edited on 7/9/17 at 11:35 am
Posted on 7/9/17 at 10:44 am to Tigeralltheway
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If Roman Harper had not laid an egg in 2011 on Vernon Davis 1 more for sure!
More bullshite. Harper surely got burned his fair share of times over the years but his "coverage" on Davis on the TD catch was perfect. The Saints had actually gone back to a zone on that play but it was too late by then. Smith made the throw over the top of Scott Shanle & underneath of Roman Harper. It just boiled down to Alex Smith making a really good throw & Davis making an even better catch to hold on to the ball because Harper hits him just as the ball arrives. Davis actually made a one handed catch.
The player(s) (Harper) should have never been in that situation to begin with. It's amazing that some people don't even realize just how much the odds were stacked against the 49ers to score a TD after the first 3 plays of that drive. They were on their own 33, 40 seconds on the clock with 1 timeout remaining with Alex Smith as their QB.
When you bring extra defenders with blitzes, you create one on one matchups for your own defenders to where they have no safety help behind them. I can't emphasize enough how terrible it is to blitz in that particular situation(s). It was completely unnecessary & utterly stupid of Williams to do so. You keep playing situational football at that point. Keep forcing Smith to check it down with zone looks or force him to take a chance throwing into coverage where the chances of getting an interception to end the game would have been really high.
Again, go back to highlights of the drive I posted above. The first 2 plays of zone coverage worked perfectly. The first play was a thing of beauty. When Smith checks it down to Gore, Patrick Robinson turns his body to prevent Gore from getting out of bounds. Not only that but he forces Gore back into the field of play where he is able to be gang tackled. The following play produces a similar result. Then Williams goes full retard on the following 2 play calls. After that, the rest is history.
This post was edited on 7/9/17 at 3:59 pm
Posted on 7/9/17 at 11:45 am to BigBrod81
Why are y'all bringing up this fricking game!
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