re: Vic Beasley Sports Science Video

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Did you really just compare Beasley to Dion Jordan?

Seriously, are you on drugs? Please look at their combine results and college numbers and tell me one thing Jordan does on Beasley's level.

Or you can just go ahead and say you're clueless on this prospect.

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there's a whole lot of jackassery going on here. context is a beautiful thing; it shouldn't be ignored.

In contention to my statement that Beasly jumped up the draft board due to combine numbers, BigBroad posted a picture (as he loves doing) of Mack last year in an attempt to state that players don't always fail to live up to their draft status when they rise due to combine workouts. I counter his strategy by using his strategy against him, so I posted a picture of a player who jumped up draft boards due to combine numbers and has failed. Nowhere did I ever compare Beasley to Jordan as skillsets and players. You need to understand the conversation before you can be critical about it.


Now, you say I am off base, yet I am absolutely right that Beasley jumped up into the top 10 after his combine. You confirm this in the exact paragraph in which you call me off base in stating such. Be consistent! I have tempered my use of the word "bust" and have acknowledged this. My point still remains the same though; a player who jumps up the draft board due to combine workouts gives me less faith in his ability to succeed then those who were up there ahead of him already. Of course he could be one of the ones that succeed, but I feel more confident in one of the other guys I mentioned.

And no, I don't watch Clemson football. I prefer quality television

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And no, I don't watch Clemson football. I prefer quality television

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Dear Midget Dick Slob,

Maybe if you watched more college football, you could possibly have a better understanding & knowledge of the players come draft time. Since you don't, you look like an arse when discussing them because you are only going off of someone else's biased opinion (Mocks,internet articles) as well as the combine. While those are good references, they cannot duplicate what can be learned by watching a player live.

This has been a public service announcement courtesy of BigBrod81, bitch.

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Dear Angry Interweb User,

Sorry that I have life duties that prevent me from Tivo'ing every college game, saving them and studying the 120 NCAA DivI football squads and all of their players in order to make a fully detailed assessment come draft time. Since this requires a fulltime job to do such a thing, I tend to rely on the compiled research of the paid professionals who focus on this specialty for a living.

Apparently this is you, since you are so full of knowledge and expertise of all college players. I am confused by one thing: why are you here on an interweb forum participating in talks with fans who view and study from afar when you are clearly a professional in the field and should be dedicating your time and conversations with fellow professionals? Isn't this beneath you and your ilk? In accordance, I do humbly offer my graceful thanks for sharing your months of research and informing us of the intricacies of each individual player that us amateurs could never devise on our own.

This has been an acceptance of FauxExpertAngryBroad's PSA, sweetie

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.nope. just laughing at your vitriol and outlandish claims in your previous post. sorry if I confused you. once you stop seeing red maybe you will understand it a bit better. now go eat some ice cream and study your tapes

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Dupree is a combine warrior.

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that's kind of what I've been thinking too. For as gifted as he appears to be, he should have dominated the SEC this past year.

looks like he was a steady performer though from his statistics.

I'd rather have Beasley but he should be long gone by the time we pick.

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Dupree is a combine warrior.

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Not true. But carry on.

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I saw someone post today on the twit that when you see players rising at this point in the draft process, it's because the reporters are finally catching up to what the scouts already knew. interesting point.

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Someone says this every year, and every year you see it. Some guy rises that the media is throwing around at the last week or so. Then the Raiders take Heyward-Bey and all bets are off.

But in all seriousness, I think these media guys have access to important people in the scouting process and those guys don't tip their hands right away. Then, they gush over a certain guy and, all of a sudden, the media has him rising. Holder has been pushing Dupree from the beginning. I don't know why. There has to be some truth to that particular statement, though.

Dupree didn't just purely rush the passer nearly as much as players like Beasley or Ray because he was asked to do more throughout the game. Yet he still had solid production (20.5 sacks, 34.5 TFL and 226 total tackles over past 3 seasons in the SEC ON KENTUCKY too)

I was seeing him mocked to the Saints (specifically by Dan Kadar - SB Nation writer who is one of the more renowned draft media members.) or in the mid-late teens range BEFORE the combine. The combine just showed the general public and the average fan how much of an athletic freak he was.

No Dupree had a great combine, and Ray didn't participate due to injury. Not exactly sure who you could be thinking of. Gregory? I know he didn't do terrible, but it was great either.

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There's a whole lot of jackassery going on here. context is a beautiful thing; it shouldn't be ignored.

In contention to my statement that Beasly jumped up the draft board due to combine numbers, BigBroad posted a picture (as he loves doing) of Mack last year in an attempt to state that players don't always fail to live up to their draft status when they rise due to combine workouts. I counter his strategy by using his strategy against him, so I posted a picture of a player who jumped up draft boards due to combine numbers and has failed. Nowhere did I ever compare Beasley to Jordan as skillsets and players. You need to understand the conversation before you can be critical about it.

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I understand context, maybe you should understand how a comparison goes. To compare Beasley to someone, you should post a picture of someone who was both dominantly productive on the field and beasted the Combine (ala, not Dion Jordan).

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Now, you say I am off base, yet I am absolutely right that Beasley jumped up into the top 10 after his combine. You confirm this in the exact paragraph in which you call me off base in stating such. Be consistent! I have tempered my use of the word "bust" and have acknowledged this. My point still remains the same though; a player who jumps up the draft board due to combine workouts gives me less faith in his ability to succeed then those who were up there ahead of him already. Of course he could be one of the ones that succeed, but I feel more confident in one of the other guys I mentioned.

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You seem to harp on this 'jump' term so much with Beasley. When some random WR from South Montana School of the Deaf gets drafted by the Raiders for running a 4.3, that's jumping up the board. When you're projected pre-Combine to be a first round pick in the teens and now you're projected anywhere from late single digits to low teens, that's just common draft fluctuation. Has Amari Cooper plummeted if White is picked first and he drops to ~8? That's just draft fluctuations man, saying Beasley is some combine warrior or has only jumped because of the combine is absurd.

Also, you have to take into account that pre-Combine rankings are based on projected athletic numbers. A certain player (and this absolutely was the case for Beasley) might be ranked at a certain position because scouts don't expect him to be able to put on weight and maintain the same athleticism that they saw on tape (on the field). When he not only adds weight but shatters expected athleticism, they re-adjust where they had him ranked. So here's a guy whose on-field production might have warranted top 10 rankings pre-Combine, but scouts didn't expect him to be that athletic at a certain weight. When he was that and more, they adjusted their ratings accordingly.

You gotta look at the whole picture.