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UDFA Salary Structure

Posted on 5/3/15 at 11:17 am
Posted by tigersbb
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 5/3/15 at 11:17 am
So as not to start one more Lael Collins thread I will couch this as a general question.

Once an UFDA makes the regular season roster what are the best salary considerations that he can receive? Is it the league minimum? Is it restricted to less than the lower round draft picks? Can he receive a longer term deal that would be commensurate to a draft choice?

If there is a universal financial structure in place then the only considerations become preference for an organization and opportunity for playing time.

In Collins case given the recent developments if he is cleared then playing close to home may have great appeal. Think about it. He would be around the fans who have followed his career closely and would be supportive as he rebuilds his reputation which would has been smeared at this time even if he is cleared.

To the rest of the country who are not as close tot he situation he is likely seen as one more bad character athlete. We know him as the high character, team oriented player who was very involved in community activities with kids. He would continue to be revered by the Tiger Nation and no other city embraces its players like New Orleans. He would certainly be afforded a chance to compete for a starting position as none of the guards or tackles are guaranteed to start except Evans.

This whole situation is unfortunate and it is hoped Lael is cleared sooner than later if he is indeed innocent of any wrongdoing.
Posted by bonethug0108
Avondale
Member since Mar 2013
12690 posts
Posted on 5/3/15 at 11:26 am to
UDFAs, much like the players in the later part of the third on, make the minimum salary. Teams do have a bonus money pool to split among UDFAs but it isn't much (projected around $88,000). So most UDFAs will get $10,000 or less.

I doubt anyone is saving bonus money for Collins given the situation, but it also wouldn't surprise me.
This post was edited on 5/3/15 at 11:39 am
Posted by Henten
biloxi
Member since Mar 2015
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Posted on 5/3/15 at 11:29 am to
If Saints were able to off the record with insider ties to the Baton Rouge police dept see if he is not going to jail then sign him an have another off record deal that next year they re- do his contract to a low end first round pick amount.
Posted by tigersbb
Member since Oct 2012
10343 posts
Posted on 5/3/15 at 11:38 am to
Answer to my own question:

Every undrafted rookie is locked into signing a three year contract. The three year contract will contain the minimum Paragraph 5 salary in each year, which will equal payouts of $435,000 in 2015, $525,000 in 2016, and $615,000 in 2017. These are the same numbers as rookies drafted after the 3rd round and many of the players drafted in the third round, so it is not a major loss for Collins of any player who was not projected to be a 2nd round pick.

The UDFA’s are very limited in terms of signing bonus money. I don’t have the final number in front of me but IIRC each team can spend, in total, about $88,000 on all their undrafted rookies. That usually means a large number of players receiving signing bonuses that will not exceed $8,000. So that is a limiting factor for a player who is not drafted. The smallest signing bonus a 7th round pick will receive likely to be about $52,000. So that is a pretty big loss considering for many players the bonus is the only salary they will ever receive.

At the end of the three year contract, every UDFA will be a restricted free agent while a drafted rookie will have a fourth contract year. Teams select from one of three RFA salaries for the UDFA’s. The smallest tender for that year will be $1.785 million. Every drafted rookie (except punters and kickers) is also eligible to see their contracted salary rise to the smallest tender level based on playing time. So if Collins does not have a great career but is ok he will basically trail every drafted rookie that is ok by the signing bonus. However if he excels and earns the 2nd or 1st level tender he will earn at least $2.73 or $3.88 million in the final year. No drafted rookie can do that, so that would allow him to move his overall salary take back into the 2nd round level of the draft.

Every UDFA is extension eligible after just two seasons, so a very good player can get extended much earlier than the draft pick who must play three years. If I was Collins agent and that was a goal of mine I would strongly consider signing with a team like the Bengals, 49ers, Packers, or Patriots among others. These are the teams that typically like to extend talent early if possible and you may get that quicker extension from them if you do play like a first rounder. Similarly teams like the Texans and Giants have already proven they will avoid the RFA process for great talent like Arian Foster or Victor Cruz. Those are the kind of teams you may get that faster value from.

Now there is nothing in the process that prevents a team from guaranteeing large amounts of salary to UDFA. This is how many teams lure a UDFA while complying with the signing bonus rules. It is not uncommon to see a UDFA receive a salary guarantee equal to a Practice Squad salary (slightly over $100,000) and in some cases double that. For Collins that presents an opportunity to attempt to receive a three year guarantee of $1,575,000. That guarantee would be equivalent to a late 2nd rounders guarantee through his signing bonus and salary guarantee.

I doubt a team would be willing to make that investment now, but if Collins waits until the summer to sign they might if his name is cleared. In theory that could also give him time to see how teams depth charts are beginning to shape up and where he will get the most opportunity to play. This is also important because if e starts he would likely be a leader in Performance Based Pay which is based on playing time relative to your cap charge. Last year the league leader received nearly $375,000 in PBP. He would certainly earn more than highly drafted players further shrinking the gap.

So the avenues are there for Collins or any UDFA to make up for losses by not being drafted if they carefully select the team and are quality NFL players. UDFAs are never given the opportunity of a draft pick nor do they usually get the financial security, but they will be rewarded if they prove the NFL scouts wrong for pushing them out of the draft
Posted by bonethug0108
Avondale
Member since Mar 2013
12690 posts
Posted on 5/3/15 at 11:44 am to
Keep in mind too that a player has to accrue a season to get a salary bump each year. Andy Tanner is a good example of this. Despite being around for I think four years he is still making first year player salary because he hasn't accrued a season.

Of course this will not matter in Collins' case but is important info nonetheless.
Posted by STEVED00
Member since May 2007
22380 posts
Posted on 5/3/15 at 11:58 am to
Curious if UDFA could possibly get a team to waive the ERFA language. If Collins is cleared then I assume a large # of teams would be after him so he would have some leverage. Getting a mid 1st rd talent for cheap for 3 yrs might be incentive enough for the team to waive that right in order to acquire his services. Especially a team with an aging superstar QB who has about 3 yrs left.
Posted by bonethug0108
Avondale
Member since Mar 2013
12690 posts
Posted on 5/3/15 at 12:07 pm to
No because then teams would be doing that for every UDFA they like. It's setup this way for competitive balance. The only thing a team can adjust for an UDFA's contract is how much they get from the bonus pool and perhaps how much is guaranteed (though I don't think they can do that).
Posted by deuce985
Member since Feb 2008
27660 posts
Posted on 5/3/15 at 12:09 pm to
Could the Saints sign him to a 3-year deal but promise him a restructure to 1st round money by the end of this year?
Posted by tigersbb
Member since Oct 2012
10343 posts
Posted on 5/3/15 at 12:19 pm to
quote:

Could the Saints sign him to a 3-year deal but promise him a restructure to 1st round money by the end of this year?


Any team could make verbal promises. But, what if the player does not develop into a star player. The team is obligated to overpay the player. Even worse they could sued for breach of contract if the verbal agreement could be confirmed. This would also lead to probable league sanctions, unless its New England doing it.
Posted by bonethug0108
Avondale
Member since Mar 2013
12690 posts
Posted on 5/3/15 at 12:20 pm to
No he has to play at the minimum for at least two years. They could promise him a big contract in his third year if he plays well but every team could make that promise. It's a hollow promise.
Posted by sainttrain713
Metairie
Member since Jan 2015
227 posts
Posted on 5/3/15 at 12:28 pm to
So essentially every NFL team can offer him the exact same contract. Its pretty much his decision as to where he wants to go?
Posted by bonethug0108
Avondale
Member since Mar 2013
12690 posts
Posted on 5/3/15 at 12:32 pm to
Aside from a team savings bonus money, which is very little in the grand scheme of things, it's pretty much choosing the best situation for his long term outlook.

A team offering him the starting LT job has a much better shot at signing him than someone offering a hollow future contract promise. So we may actually have a worse shot at signing him as we see him as a guard and have two LT (one proven and one just drafted in the first).
This post was edited on 5/3/15 at 12:35 pm
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