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Trae Waynes Discussion
Posted on 4/14/15 at 10:01 am
Posted on 4/14/15 at 10:01 am
He could definitely be the BPA available. CSC has been doing a mock draft and selected him over Scherff and Collins. I think it very conceivable. I'll copy their reasoning...
Oh, you don't think the Saints need to address cornerback in the first round of the draft because they've already signed Brandon Browner in free agency? Well, you're an idiot. The Browner signing is like putting a Band-Aid on a severed limb. It's not gonna stop the bleeding. The Saints need to do more than bet the house on a single starting-caliber defensive back. Look how well that worked last season. **cough Jairus Byrd cough** Because you can bet your arse that at least one of them will be injured at some point during the season and it's not going to be pretty if Terrence Frederick has to start a few games.
I get that we all want to see the pass rush improved. What we have to remember is that a good cornerback with coverage skills can help the front seven get to the quarterback just as much if not more than a flashy new DE/OLB prospect, by forcing QBs to hold onto the ball longer and giving the front seven more time to get there.
OPINIONS?
For me he wouldn't be the pick I would be most excited about but would definitely not be disappointed at all either.
Oh, you don't think the Saints need to address cornerback in the first round of the draft because they've already signed Brandon Browner in free agency? Well, you're an idiot. The Browner signing is like putting a Band-Aid on a severed limb. It's not gonna stop the bleeding. The Saints need to do more than bet the house on a single starting-caliber defensive back. Look how well that worked last season. **cough Jairus Byrd cough** Because you can bet your arse that at least one of them will be injured at some point during the season and it's not going to be pretty if Terrence Frederick has to start a few games.
I get that we all want to see the pass rush improved. What we have to remember is that a good cornerback with coverage skills can help the front seven get to the quarterback just as much if not more than a flashy new DE/OLB prospect, by forcing QBs to hold onto the ball longer and giving the front seven more time to get there.
OPINIONS?
For me he wouldn't be the pick I would be most excited about but would definitely not be disappointed at all either.
This post was edited on 4/14/15 at 10:12 am
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Posted on 4/14/15 at 10:03 am to blueslover
He's my 1st choice of reasonable possibilities at #13.
Posted on 4/14/15 at 10:09 am to Bear Is Dead
scouting reports if ya haven't surveyed...
He's a bump-and-run cornerback with the length, deep speed and confidence to handle himself down the field against speed. Waynes plays too handsy for NFL officials and that could show up on Sundays. His 4.31 40, smooth hips and overall fluidity displayed at the combine could make him a much earlier pick in the draft than previously projected. Waynes carries a very high ceiling.
https://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/profiles/trae-waynes?id=2552448
He's a bump-and-run cornerback with the length, deep speed and confidence to handle himself down the field against speed. Waynes plays too handsy for NFL officials and that could show up on Sundays. His 4.31 40, smooth hips and overall fluidity displayed at the combine could make him a much earlier pick in the draft than previously projected. Waynes carries a very high ceiling.
https://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/profiles/trae-waynes?id=2552448
Posted on 4/14/15 at 10:12 am to blueslover
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I get that we all want to see the pass rush improved. What we have to remember is that a good cornerback with coverage skills can help the front seven get to the quarterback just as much if not more than a flashy new DE/OLB prospect, by forcing QBs to hold onto the ball longer and giving the front seven more time to get there.
Considering CBs are like QBs, they usually take time to get higher on the learning curve, I'd go with a OLB/DE type with #13...assuming there was one there that graded to the same level. I understand your logic about a CB being able to slow a QB down, but if you don't have guys on the line who can get to the QB, the best CB will eventually get burned.
With this said, I would not be disappointed with getting the #1 ranked prospect at the CB position. Good value at a position we need more help in.
Posted on 4/14/15 at 10:12 am to blueslover
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Oh, you don't think the Saints need to address cornerback in the first round of the draft because they've already signed Brandon Browner in free agency? Well, you're an idiot.
Only an idiot would call someone else an idiot for having that opinion. Jesus Christ dude. I like Waynes a lot...but he's far from a sure thing. He could be last years Justin Gilbert. There are guys in the 2nd & 3rd round that can also turn into great players as well.
This post was edited on 4/14/15 at 10:15 am
Posted on 4/14/15 at 10:15 am to blueslover
I guess he would be able to hold the nickle back fort down for a minute or two.
Posted on 4/14/15 at 10:18 am to blueslover
"Single starting caliber CB".....
Does this dickwad forget that keenan lewis exists?
Does this dickwad forget that keenan lewis exists?
Posted on 4/14/15 at 10:21 am to LosLobos111
decent objective take...
HERE
Summary: This is a real nice corner who satisfies all my questions about a guy to excel at the next level. He is literally able to run the routes for the receiver, before the receiver gets to where he is going. He can ride the hip and mirror his man with incredible ease. Now, there is no point in drafting a press-man corner if you just want to play soft man all day, so you would hesitate to frustrate your men by not allowing them to run the coverages that they are suited for (Dallas). That said, when someone lines up in the college game and presses the top receiver at the top schools every Saturday and wins way more than he loses, then runs a 4.31 at the combine with a 1.53 10-yard split, then you assume he doesn’t make it to pick #20. Waynes is an exceptional player and is a better prospect for me than fellow Spartan Darqueze Dennard who went #24 to the Bengals last year in the 1st round. Pretty sure you won’t find a better corner in 2015.
HERE
Summary: This is a real nice corner who satisfies all my questions about a guy to excel at the next level. He is literally able to run the routes for the receiver, before the receiver gets to where he is going. He can ride the hip and mirror his man with incredible ease. Now, there is no point in drafting a press-man corner if you just want to play soft man all day, so you would hesitate to frustrate your men by not allowing them to run the coverages that they are suited for (Dallas). That said, when someone lines up in the college game and presses the top receiver at the top schools every Saturday and wins way more than he loses, then runs a 4.31 at the combine with a 1.53 10-yard split, then you assume he doesn’t make it to pick #20. Waynes is an exceptional player and is a better prospect for me than fellow Spartan Darqueze Dennard who went #24 to the Bengals last year in the 1st round. Pretty sure you won’t find a better corner in 2015.
Posted on 4/14/15 at 10:22 am to blueslover
I wouldn't be upset. He's going to be a very good player IMO. I just don't know if I wanna go this high on cornerback AGAIN. I feel like Scherff and Collins solidify the OL and are a sure thing. After them, there's a pretty big drop off on OL. CB and other positions don't have that kind of drop off so if we have the chance at either, I'd prefer OL.
Posted on 4/14/15 at 10:26 am to blueslover
I'm worried he will be a combine warrior. If he is the real deal, then I am all aboard with him. The links you post show more positivity than things I've read in the past. I've gotten the impression he's a 2nd round talent being slotted high in the first due to the position he plays.
I believe CB is still a big position of need. Browner ain't getting younger, and any successful D requires at least 3 CB's. IF he is truly a potential great CB, then I would take him over any of the OLB's.
I believe CB is still a big position of need. Browner ain't getting younger, and any successful D requires at least 3 CB's. IF he is truly a potential great CB, then I would take him over any of the OLB's.
Posted on 4/14/15 at 10:29 am to Midget Death Squad
Personally, I'm a huge fan of Waynes. He's damn good and could be the future. This wouldn't upset me one bit. He's shutdown and not a project. He's ready now.
Posted on 4/14/15 at 10:30 am to Brageous
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I just don't know if I wanna go this high on cornerback AGAIN
2014 2 26 58 Stanley Jean-Baptiste Nebraska
2012 5 27 162 Corey White Samford
2011 3 24 88 Johnny Patrick Louisville
2010 1 32 32 Patrick Robinson Florida State
2009 1 14 14 Malcolm Jenkins Ohio State
2009 4 16 116 Tracy Porter Indiana
2007 5 8 145 David Jones Wingate
2006 2 11 43 Roman Harper Alabama
2006 6 5 174 Josh (Bernard) Lay Pittsburgh
Only one in the Payton era drafted anywhere near this high. He was projected as a safety even at the time of the draft as well. PRob marginally 1st Rd and was considered a stretch then.
Adono, methinks a #13 selection top CB should be able to contribute immediately. Thing is he would have little pressure on the learning curve as a #3CB.
This post was edited on 4/14/15 at 10:41 am
Posted on 4/14/15 at 10:33 am to blueslover
I really meant 1st round of the draft, not high in the 1st round. But I get what you're saying, I thought we had 1 or 2 others in the first there.
Posted on 4/14/15 at 10:35 am to blueslover
How well can he shut down a WR given no pressure against the opposing QB? Because that's where we are right now.
Posted on 4/14/15 at 10:38 am to blueslover
quote:
Oh, you don't think the Saints need to address cornerback in the first round of the draft because they've already signed Brandon Browner in free agency? Well, you're an idiot
Geez, I'm all for Waynes at #13 depending on how the top 12 plays out, but calling someone on idiot, especially your readers who may have that opinion, is pretty dumb.
Anyway, I agree that Browner doesn't completely erase the need at CB. I love this signing, especially at the rate, but he will be 31 before the season starts. And, if we're being completely honest, he didn't have his best season in NE last year.
I don't think we need to force a CB pick at #13 or #31, but I would not be at all upset with Waynes at #13, or Kevin Johnson/Marcus Peters at #31. Ideally, I would really like Ifo in the 3rd. I think he'll make a GREAT nickle CB.
Posted on 4/14/15 at 10:44 am to Midget Death Squad
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IF he is truly a potential great CB, then I would take him over any of the OLB's.
That's the wonderful thing about the draft...every guy there is a potentially great player.
This draft is one of the most critical drafts in recent memory because of the many holes on defense and glaring needs at some offensive spots. History tells us LBs and OLs picked in the first are the safest bet and we need both. So, that's where I'd focus.
Harvard Sports
Posted on 4/14/15 at 10:50 am to blueslover
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Adono, methinks a #13 selection top CB should be able to contribute immediately. Thing is he would have little pressure on the learning curve as a #3CB.
Like I said earlier in the thread, Blues, I wouldn't be disappointed with the selection. It wouldn't be my first choice, but it certainly isn't a bad pick.
Posted on 4/14/15 at 11:20 am to adono
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History tells us LBs and OLs picked in the first are the safest bet and we need both. So, that's where I'd focus.
you shouldn't pick based on safest. you pick based on value of the position and quality of the player. regardless, I am fine with any of the picks between OLB, RT (temp Guard), CB, DT, WR or *gasp* QB.
Personally I really want Shelton. Not sure if he will drop to us, but lately it seems he has been cooling in many rankings. That's good for us, but maybe they don't want to go that route. I personally think it's the best player for us, but I'm just a guy typing at a computer
Posted on 4/14/15 at 11:34 am to Midget Death Squad
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but I'm just a guy typing at a computer
Don't sell yourself short. I'm almost positive the FO scours Saints Talk for guidance when it comes down to the hard decisions.
Posted on 4/14/15 at 11:40 am to adono
certainly not reflected in the picks!
They might scour ST for what not to do. I wonder if they ever chuckle to themselves... "Wait till they hear this one..."
"From the University of Regina"
They might scour ST for what not to do. I wonder if they ever chuckle to themselves... "Wait till they hear this one..."
"From the University of Regina"
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