re: Trae Waynes Discussion

He's got flaws for sure. I'm not a huge fan, but if we drafted any CB at 13 I'd be upset.

even if he was the clear BPA?

Well it's impossible for him to be BPA at 13 for me. I have 13 guys I'd rather take over him.

Williams
Fowler
Beasley
Dupree
Gregory
Shelton
Brown
Amari
White
Parker
Scherff
Collins
Winston


It'd be a little reach too, but I'd even consider taking Kendricks before Waynes.

that something is the ranging opinions of him. he's not the top CB on many draft boards, and this year's CB crop appears to be weak. when there's this much uncertainty at who is the best player at a particular position, and those vying for this spot would be 2nd and 3rd rounders in any other draft, then having a feeling he won't succeed is justified

I like Waynes...but he's being mentioned at 13 b/c it's a weak cb class. He's more like a top 20 guy imo. Nothing wrong with that but the difference between him and the 2nd/3rd round guy isn't monumental. While I do like certain aspects of his game...he isn't the right pick at 13. If we had a later pick...then I'm on board. Not 13 though.

while I agree with you, I see the more likely scenario being we stay at 13 and move up from 31

Not sure how much Jeff Ireland could change this, though

that pick wouldn't surprise me at all.

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Oh, you don't think the Saints need to address cornerback in the first round of the draft because they've already signed Brandon Browner in free agency? Well, you're an idiot. The Browner signing is like putting a Band-Aid on a severed limb. It's not gonna stop the bleeding. The Saints need to do more than bet the house on a single starting-caliber defensive back. Look how well that worked last season. **cough Jairus Byrd cough** Because you can bet your arse that at least one of them will be injured at some point during the season and it's not going to be pretty if Terrence Frederick has to start a few games.

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I get what he's saying but what are the chances of having a few starters in the secondary go down with injuries two years in a row?

Browner is a little older than I thought so maybe picking Waynes wouldn't be such a bad thing. Kyle Wilson is on a one year deal, right? He's probably going to be a stop gap guy for depth in the secondary.

I wouldn't hate the pick at all. We need to get better on defense and usually the most talented pass rushers go quickly. A few teams could make some bizarre picks and some guys could fall but it seems like we seldom take players who slip some in the draft.

I guess Cam Jordan would be the recent exception because a few teams took a QB in that draft earlier than usual.

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 could see a pass on Shelton. Love him but dunno if they wanna go that full flegedly to 3-4. He's certainly below 13 on many boards. 

They jump on Amari/White that would likely have to be BPA. Parker clearly a notch below and ranked so on most boards. 

Gregory has the off field issues that could X him from consideration. 

Collins is closer to 31 than 13 on very many boards.

I dunno if Dupree is ranked higher on many boards at all. 

Not pushing for Waynes, just sorting out the tea leaves as to what could unfold. 

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That was a list of players I think are better/would rather have for the Saints.

Parker, while not as good as White or Cooper is still part of that top group and definitely worth a top-15 selection.

Same with Collins. While I'm not on the bandwaggon of picking him no matter who else is available, like many people on this board, I would definitely rather him over Waynes.

As far as Dupree is concerned he's definitely a top 15 talent and prospect. I'd be very suprised if he fell into the 20s. I would say he has a better chance of being a top 10 pick than getting past the late teens. After watching both, and reading up I would say Dupree is ahead of Waynes in the draft community and I agree big time with that.

I do agree with Gregory tho. His CC might scare the Saints off. But on the field he's head and shoulders a better prospect than Waynes. I would say enough to cancel out the CC to where if it came down to Gregory or Waynes at 13 I think the FO would take the chance on Gregory.

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If Gregory is there at 13, you don't wait. You pick him there then you trade up for someone else

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that's just it, there's plenty of talk whether he is worth the risk at 13. while a gamble for sure, the potential for him to slide to the 20 range is increasing. I'm not opposed to taking him at 13, but I would prefer passing on him for someone else and trying to get him at a more reasonable slot. But yes, it can work the other way as well.