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Those Who Think Drew Is On The Decline, Not So Fast......
Posted on 5/7/15 at 8:08 pm
Posted on 5/7/15 at 8:08 pm
2014 Incomplete Pass Breakdown: Passers
The 2014 NFL season was another historic year for passers. The league-wide completion rate climbed to 62.6 percent, breaking the previous record of 61.2 percent set in 2013. That's the largest percentage increase to break the record since year three of the "Blount Rule" took place in 1980. Not only did the ball hit the ground at a record-low rate, but last year's defenders intercepted a record-low 2.52 percent of passes thrown.
Thanks to our game charting and data from ESPN Stats & Information, we have a category for every incomplete pass. For instance, we know there were 33 intentional grounding penalties last year, with one declined and two negated for offsetting penalties. Listing these would make for a pretty dull table, since no quarterback had more than two grounding penalties.
That is why for the purposes of this study we will be combining as many incompletion categories as possible. For this column, those intentional grounding plays are counted as throwaways by the quarterback. This is why the data presented here may differ slightly from what we publish in the future in places like Football Outsiders Almanac 2015.
Overthrows & Underthrows
While it's true that a receiver can always adjust to and catch a poorly thrown ball (for evidence of this, watch any Terry Bradshaw highlight reel), that is not the norm in the NFL. Everything tabulated here for overthrown and underthrown passes relates only to incompletions. We combine the two totals together to calculate a "Bad Pass" percentage.
New Orleans may have drafted his successor, but Drew Brees was pretty damn accurate last season, with the second-lowest rate of overthrows and third-lowest rate of underthrows. Matt Ryan was the only other quarterback to rank in the top 10 in both categories. Brees' "demise" has been a topic of interest at Football Outsiders, because the numbers continue to show he was still very good last season. He just made some very costly mistakes in high-leverage situations that cost the Saints dearly. Those always tend to stand out more even with a high volume of quality plays.
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Now that its a little more obvious that the whole problem was the o-line and not Drew he want to say to all who thinks that he is on the decline to kiss his arse.
This post was edited on 5/7/15 at 8:10 pm
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Posted on 5/7/15 at 8:11 pm to Meateye
ProFootballFocus has a similar outlook.
There was also another article on reddit that broke down every pass thrown and had Brees as a top deep passer too
The people with the criticism don't let facts get in the way of #TheDecline
There was also another article on reddit that broke down every pass thrown and had Brees as a top deep passer too
The people with the criticism don't let facts get in the way of #TheDecline
Posted on 5/7/15 at 8:16 pm to TigerBait1127
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There was also another article on reddit that broke down every pass thrown and had Brees as a top deep passer too
Its a long article but if you go look they have alot of different stats and they all prove Drew is in no way declining.
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The people with the criticism don't let facts get in the way of #TheDecline
Yeah you right, and its probably the same morons that have made 30000 La'el threads over the last 4 days. And now talking about how the whole organization sucks because we didnt waste a pick on him in the 7th round so he could just not sign his contract.
Posted on 5/7/15 at 8:22 pm to Meateye
I'm not sure how those idiots making negative posts last season about Drew were incapable of seeing where the majority of the blame fell.
1) Interior Offensive Line
1.5) Offensive Play-calling
2) Receivers drops/poor route-running
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99) Drew Brees
Yeah, it's all Drew. He blew the game in Cleveland because he threw that end-zone INT. He's choking. He's got a noodle arm. He's too short and old, he's probably lost an inch of height since he was drafted. He cares more about selling sandwiches than winning another ring. Blahh blab lah blah fricking blah.
Seriously, if I were the family practitioner for the idiots on this board I would prescribe them all a high dose of cyanide.
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Sean Payton on Brees: “I just finished talking with him, obviously he would want to have the one interception back,” Payton said, via the New Orleans Times-Picayune. “But I felt like his decision making, rhythm — I felt like his week of preparation and how he played all during practice week was outstanding. He is going to be just fine. He is the least of our worries.”
1) Interior Offensive Line
1.5) Offensive Play-calling
2) Receivers drops/poor route-running
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99) Drew Brees
Yeah, it's all Drew. He blew the game in Cleveland because he threw that end-zone INT. He's choking. He's got a noodle arm. He's too short and old, he's probably lost an inch of height since he was drafted. He cares more about selling sandwiches than winning another ring. Blahh blab lah blah fricking blah.
Seriously, if I were the family practitioner for the idiots on this board I would prescribe them all a high dose of cyanide.
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Sean Payton on Brees: “I just finished talking with him, obviously he would want to have the one interception back,” Payton said, via the New Orleans Times-Picayune. “But I felt like his decision making, rhythm — I felt like his week of preparation and how he played all during practice week was outstanding. He is going to be just fine. He is the least of our worries.”
This post was edited on 5/7/15 at 8:28 pm
Posted on 5/7/15 at 8:26 pm to Meateye
quote:This is, and always has been, the problem.
He just made some very costly mistakes in high-leverage situations that cost the Saints dearly. Those always tend to stand out more even with a high volume of quality plays.
Overall, Brees is playing awesomely.
It's just that his mistakes are more noticeable.
It's like when people believe the world (and country) is getting more violent.
The reality is, things are less violent now than they've ever been.
We're just hearing about it more when it does happen.
Posted on 5/7/15 at 8:32 pm to Hoodoo Man
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This is, and always has been, the problem.
Overall, Brees is playing awesomely.
It's just that his mistakes are more noticeable.
Yeah he sometimes tries to hard to make things happen. I wanta see the stat for how many times these plays were him trying to force it to Jimmy. Which is no longer a problem and Ive said all along we are better for him leaving.
This post was edited on 5/7/15 at 8:32 pm
Posted on 5/7/15 at 8:34 pm to Meateye
quote:Yeah, I would, too.
I wanta see the stat for how many times these plays were him trying to force it to Jimmy. Which is no longer a problem
quote:Uhhhhhh
Ive said all along we are better for him leaving.
Posted on 5/7/15 at 8:43 pm to Meateye
I thought last year Drew made more bad decisions in games than he has in the past.
I think that's something that can and will be fixed for next season. I think a commitment to the run game and improving the oline has more to do with a winning formula than a Brees decline.
I think that's something that can and will be fixed for next season. I think a commitment to the run game and improving the oline has more to do with a winning formula than a Brees decline.
Posted on 5/7/15 at 8:44 pm to Meateye
I'm looking forward to the "idc what stupid stats say, my eyeball test is all I need" posters to show up.
Posted on 5/7/15 at 8:54 pm to Melvin
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I'm looking forward to the "idc what stupid stats say, my eyeball test is all I need" posters to show up.
I am one in the camp who says statistics are mostly BS in football. But categorically when just about every single statistic puts you at the top of a chart in a good way, you're doing pretty much everything right and you are by no means "the" problem.
This post was edited on 5/7/15 at 8:55 pm
Posted on 5/7/15 at 8:55 pm to Hoodoo Man
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Ive said all along we are better for him leaving.
Uhhhhhh
Better for Jimmy leaving I mean. I think Drew will spread the ball around more like he used to when our offense was unstoppable. Instead of him always trying to find Jimmy
Posted on 5/7/15 at 8:59 pm to Meateye
Well to be fair to both Drew and Jimmy, as a QB you rely on the most reliable receiver. Jimmy has pretty much been that since 2011. You naturally will find "your guy" and get him the ball. When you can thread the needle like Brees, why not try a little harder to get the ball to one of your steady play-makers?
This post was edited on 5/7/15 at 9:03 pm
Posted on 5/7/15 at 9:05 pm to Meateye
His company at the top isn't exactly flattering
Posted on 5/7/15 at 9:05 pm to Meateye
Everybody thinks he's gonna be done in two years but I just don't see it. I think he'd retire from not wanting to play anymore before it being due to decline. I don't see any reason why he couldn't stay on the same trajectory as Manning/Brady who both seem like they'll hit 40 easily.
Ride that Brees train until it flies off the rails.
Ride that Brees train until it flies off the rails.
This post was edited on 5/7/15 at 9:06 pm
Posted on 5/7/15 at 9:06 pm to bountyhunter
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why not try a little harder to get the ball to one of your steady play-makers?
I don't think Jimmy was that last year at all though.
Posted on 5/7/15 at 9:08 pm to Brettesaurus Rex
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Everybody thinks he's gonna be done in two years but I just don't see it. I think he'd retire from not wanting to play anymore before it being due to decline. I don't see any reason why he couldn't stay on the same trajectory as Manning/Brady who both seem like they'll hit 40 easily.
Ride that Brees train until it flies off the rails.
Im with you.
I think he plays until hes 40 at least.
Posted on 5/7/15 at 9:12 pm to HollierThanThou
quote:Well, if we look at overall scores from PFF, for some more evidence, we see the top 4 overall QB's from 2014 are, in order:
His company at the top isn't exactly flattering
Aaron Rodgers
Drew Brees
Ben Roethlisberger
Tom Brady
Ben's score is kinda inflated because he had that one monster game.
Posted on 5/7/15 at 9:20 pm to Meateye
Mark sanchez is still better,he doesn't throw interceptions-socaltiger
Posted on 5/8/15 at 1:00 am to bountyhunter
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am one in the camp who says statistics are mostly BS in football. But categorically when just about every single statistic puts you at the top of a chart in a good way, you're doing pretty much everything right and you are by no means "the" problem.
Zero issue with that. Stats should support an argument seen on the field.
This post was edited on 5/8/15 at 7:46 am
Posted on 5/8/15 at 7:55 am to Meateye
Is it really so hard to believe that SP and Mickey had discussions with Drew in the offseason?
"So Drew, how much longer you think you'll play?" "Bout another three years." "So if we draft a guy to come in, you'll help get him ready to take over when you're done?" "Sure".
So Drew plays this year. They extend him one year and help the cap hit. Drew retires after the 2017 season after back to back to back super bowl victories.
Drew runs for Mayor of NOLA and wins with a unanimous vote. Drew makes a speech asking all NOLA to end crime. NOLA agrees because, well, Drew Brees asked them to.
Baylen and Bowen become the #1 ranked high school prospects at QB. Both commit to LSU. LSU enjoys a six year run with a Brees under center. LSU wins 5 NCs.
Everyone Profits.
"So Drew, how much longer you think you'll play?" "Bout another three years." "So if we draft a guy to come in, you'll help get him ready to take over when you're done?" "Sure".
So Drew plays this year. They extend him one year and help the cap hit. Drew retires after the 2017 season after back to back to back super bowl victories.
Drew runs for Mayor of NOLA and wins with a unanimous vote. Drew makes a speech asking all NOLA to end crime. NOLA agrees because, well, Drew Brees asked them to.
Baylen and Bowen become the #1 ranked high school prospects at QB. Both commit to LSU. LSU enjoys a six year run with a Brees under center. LSU wins 5 NCs.
Everyone Profits.
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