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re: This will be a touchy subject
Posted on 5/17/20 at 1:13 pm to Gumbyxl
Posted on 5/17/20 at 1:13 pm to Gumbyxl
I feel like this is pointless to try and argue with someone I feel is unwilling to listen, but here goes.
1) what you are describing is nepotism not racism.
Brian belechek got the job because he is Bill’s son. Brian was always going to have more opportunities than others. Black, white, purple, etc. played nothing into that. If Bill was a minority and accomplished what he accomplished the result would have been the same. The world works this way not just the NFL. Will Smith’s children get more opportunities because of their Dad as well. Why would parents NOT elevate their children?
2) Experience alone does not make someone qualified for a job.
It doesn’t matter if benson picked Loomis up at a grocery store check out aisle. He is widely considered one of the best NFL gms right now. So clearly Tom made a good choice. Experience is only one factor to consider when hiring a candidate. Young people who have initiative, are meticulous, are willing to learn, and refuse to fail are elevated above people with 10 times more experience because those traits are more important than a number of years on your resume. Tom saw potential in Loomis and Loomis answered the call.
3) players and coaches have vastly different jobs and require entirely different skill sets.
Just because black players Make up 70%+ of the league doesn’t mean there are an equal percentage that are equipped to be an executive. Those skill sets don’t really translate. In fact many executives did not play football at the highest level. Look at someone like Dave Aranda at LSU. He didn’t play but has a widely respective defensive mind.
More players of one race doesn’t mean their should be an equal percentage of executives of that race. In fact, it would likely correlate to the opposite. Why? Because if a race is overfilling one skill set, then there are less of them to fulfill a different one.
4) this policy is classic window dressing.
If the owners are racist they won’t pass it. If they aren’t racist they might, but it likely changes nothing because they weren’t racist to begin with. Either way they will point to the outcome they come to as being the non racist one.
1) what you are describing is nepotism not racism.
Brian belechek got the job because he is Bill’s son. Brian was always going to have more opportunities than others. Black, white, purple, etc. played nothing into that. If Bill was a minority and accomplished what he accomplished the result would have been the same. The world works this way not just the NFL. Will Smith’s children get more opportunities because of their Dad as well. Why would parents NOT elevate their children?
2) Experience alone does not make someone qualified for a job.
It doesn’t matter if benson picked Loomis up at a grocery store check out aisle. He is widely considered one of the best NFL gms right now. So clearly Tom made a good choice. Experience is only one factor to consider when hiring a candidate. Young people who have initiative, are meticulous, are willing to learn, and refuse to fail are elevated above people with 10 times more experience because those traits are more important than a number of years on your resume. Tom saw potential in Loomis and Loomis answered the call.
3) players and coaches have vastly different jobs and require entirely different skill sets.
Just because black players Make up 70%+ of the league doesn’t mean there are an equal percentage that are equipped to be an executive. Those skill sets don’t really translate. In fact many executives did not play football at the highest level. Look at someone like Dave Aranda at LSU. He didn’t play but has a widely respective defensive mind.
More players of one race doesn’t mean their should be an equal percentage of executives of that race. In fact, it would likely correlate to the opposite. Why? Because if a race is overfilling one skill set, then there are less of them to fulfill a different one.
4) this policy is classic window dressing.
If the owners are racist they won’t pass it. If they aren’t racist they might, but it likely changes nothing because they weren’t racist to begin with. Either way they will point to the outcome they come to as being the non racist one.
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Posted on 5/17/20 at 2:10 pm to CheeseTiger251
Great analysis however, for it to be nepotism, Loomis would had to be related to Tom Benson. There is no blood line there, so, what would you call it? White privage?
Posted on 5/17/20 at 7:18 pm to LSU_30A
I’d almost be surprised if something this openly racist was passed through.
Almost.
Almost.
Posted on 5/17/20 at 7:29 pm to CheeseTiger251
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CheeseTiger251
I feel like this is pointless to try and argue with someone I feel is unwilling to listen, but here goes.
1) what you are describing is nepotism not racism...
2) Experience alone does not make someone qualified for a job....
3) players and coaches have vastly different jobs and require entirely different skill sets...
4) this policy is classic window dressing...
If the owners are racist they won’t pass it. If they aren’t racist they might, but it likely changes nothing because they weren’t racist to begin with. Either way they will point to the outcome they come to as being the non racist one
This type of spin is one reason this country need a HEAVY dose of AFFIRMATIVE ACTION in every sector of the economy. As long as people pollute the airwaves with affirmation of racism with silly arguments as Nepotism, Experience is not everything, jobs are different, blah blah blah will prevent any minority person for equal opportunities they clearly earned.
Posted on 5/17/20 at 9:30 pm to mrsaints
Cheese Tiger doesn’t have a problems with African Americans and other minorities serving in the armed services, performing in the sports arena for the local sports teams. In his opinion, they should stick to playing football and forget about the executive positions that shape the structure of the franchise. He imputed further in his assessment that coaching and the skill mix of the GM required a different set of skills and I don’t take offense to that comment but what I do take exception to is the minorities are into capable to assessing to those levels? Such logic is laughable at best.
Posted on 5/17/20 at 9:34 pm to Gumbyxl
Cheese Head isn’t racist, it just doesn’t see minorities as equals. And to make matters worst, he uses nepotism as his justification to support his rhetoric.
Posted on 5/17/20 at 9:38 pm to Gumbyxl
I bet in the Saints food serving faculties there are no shortage of African Americans and other minorities preparing food or scrubbing the shite out of toilets?
Posted on 5/17/20 at 11:16 pm to Gumbyxl
I don’t understand what point you’re trying to make.
Of course there’s probably more black people working in the building in reserve roles other than GM. There’s only 1 GM. What’s wrong with serving food or scrubbing toilets? And second of all, the people serving food and scrubbing toilets are not qualified to be a GM. They accepted a job adequate to their ability level. Nobody forced them to start cleaning shite out of toilets.
Loomis is a good GM by the way. His job literally only is “bean counting”. that is the only point of his job. To make good deals. So another one of your arguments falls flat.
If a black, Hispanic, Asian person had enough money to buy a team they would and would hire anybody they want. Sahid Kahn in JAX has hired white HCs, so what of that?
I don’t think there’s any instances of a black, Hispanic, Asian candidate getting passed over just because the color of his skin. You couldn’t name one, you’d rather just cry racism. Black men have proven to be more athletic than white men, that’s why they compromise 80% of the league. I don’t see how athletic ability correlates to coaching tho. If a black, white, Hispanic, or Asian candidate is up for the job and they deserve it. They’ll get it.
I just don’t see WHO this rule is helping. There’s not some long line of black coaches missing out on head coaching opportunities. Eric Bienamy is the only guy I can think of at the doorstep, and he’s turned down offers to stay working with Andy Reid. When he’s ready he’ll be a HC.
Just more whiny unfounded tears of racism
Of course there’s probably more black people working in the building in reserve roles other than GM. There’s only 1 GM. What’s wrong with serving food or scrubbing toilets? And second of all, the people serving food and scrubbing toilets are not qualified to be a GM. They accepted a job adequate to their ability level. Nobody forced them to start cleaning shite out of toilets.
Loomis is a good GM by the way. His job literally only is “bean counting”. that is the only point of his job. To make good deals. So another one of your arguments falls flat.
If a black, Hispanic, Asian person had enough money to buy a team they would and would hire anybody they want. Sahid Kahn in JAX has hired white HCs, so what of that?
I don’t think there’s any instances of a black, Hispanic, Asian candidate getting passed over just because the color of his skin. You couldn’t name one, you’d rather just cry racism. Black men have proven to be more athletic than white men, that’s why they compromise 80% of the league. I don’t see how athletic ability correlates to coaching tho. If a black, white, Hispanic, or Asian candidate is up for the job and they deserve it. They’ll get it.
I just don’t see WHO this rule is helping. There’s not some long line of black coaches missing out on head coaching opportunities. Eric Bienamy is the only guy I can think of at the doorstep, and he’s turned down offers to stay working with Andy Reid. When he’s ready he’ll be a HC.
Just more whiny unfounded tears of racism
Posted on 5/18/20 at 7:35 am to Bayou
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Reverse discrimination is alive and well.
This isn't reverse discrimination, it is simply discrimination.
Posted on 5/18/20 at 7:36 am to Gumbyxl
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“ white privilege.”
Hahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaa.......typical and predictable......
Posted on 5/18/20 at 7:38 am to Gumbyxl
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Your inability to communicate has left you at a disadvantage. The ignorant person you know is the one you see in the mirror.
Your posting style reveals the fact you are very young and or very immature....carry on with your racism and ignorance.
Posted on 5/18/20 at 7:40 am to Gumbyxl
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In general terms, he was unqualified for the job Slick.
Please list those specific job qualifications and link to them.
Posted on 5/18/20 at 7:48 am to LSU_30A
So if the Saints hired Scott Fujita as a Coach, do they move up in the draft?
Posted on 5/18/20 at 9:27 am to LSU_30A
A lot of saints fans are racist. We already know this information
Posted on 5/18/20 at 12:05 pm to JayJay2
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A lot of saints fans are racist. We already know this information
The black ones or the white ones?
Black people are just as racist as white people, so please be specific when leveling such a serious charge.
Posted on 5/18/20 at 5:46 pm to oogabooga68
You got to be a retard for that comment.
Posted on 5/19/20 at 6:27 am to Tiny Rick
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Where would it end?
Flag football with 25% men, 25% women, 25% non-binary, and 25% post op tranny rosters
Posted on 5/19/20 at 7:24 am to Gumbyxl
No, just extremely smart and brave enough to be honest.
Posted on 5/19/20 at 8:07 am to Gumbyxl
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Great analysis however, for it to be nepotism, Loomis would had to be related to Tom Benson. There is no blood line there, so, what would you call it? White privage?
I didn’t say the Loomis thing was nepotism. I said the Brian belichick thing was nepotism. I would point out that depending on what definition you look at nepotism can refer to relatives and friends, but I’m sure that doesn’t matter to you.
However, for arguments sake let’s say Loomis was cronyism (showing preferential treatment to friends). This still has nothing to do with race. Dell Demps stayed on as GM of the Pels until after Tom died, and he is widely viewed as terrible. Was Tom only racist when choosing GMs for his football team, but not for his basketball team?
Posted on 5/19/20 at 8:15 am to mrsaints
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This type of spin is one reason this country need a HEAVY dose of AFFIRMATIVE ACTION in every sector of the economy. As long as people pollute the airwaves with affirmation of racism with silly arguments as Nepotism, Experience is not everything, jobs are different, blah blah blah will prevent any minority person for equal opportunities they clearly earned.
Tell me what I said that inaccurate.
Jobs ARE different.
Experience ISN’T everything.
Nepotism/Cronyism IS a problem. Particularly in Louisiana which is kind of famous for it.
The actual problem is people pointing at things and calling them racist when in actuality they are not. This allows actual prejudice to hide in the shadows while other people bicker about semantic differences in words.
Prejudice lives in everyone, but to point at every prejudice and call it racist Is ridiculous. As long as we don’t call things out for what they really are nothing will get better.
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