re: The Drew Brees critiques and criticisms

You know what - you're right. Graham was open, it was just a shitty protection /pass.

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That was more on Payton's horrendous play calling than on Brees.

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played as well as Russell Wilson, Tony Romo, or Phil Rivers

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Wilson should not be put in that category. he has a VERY different skill set and playing style than the rest. and he just won the super bowl last year, fo course he's seen as better.

Romo was a joke with the fans and most of the nfl the past few years. now hes elite? because that happens overnight? look at their offensive line.

if you continue to ignore the point that protection helps elevate a QB, then i cant help you see the real problem.

I agree with you - protection and play calling can be a QB's best friend.

ETA - agree with you - that Browns pick 6 wasn't on Brees. Don't know how I remembered that one so badly. I was livid with Payton at the play call (emptying the backfield after we were absolutely gashing them with the run)/

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I was livid with Payton at the play call (emptying the backfield after we were absolutely gashing them with the run)/

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It was pathetic.

At least leave the threat to run there. Ingram had something like 18 ypc at that point in the game

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Did you just compare Drew Brees to Ryan Leaf?

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No, you illiterate shite, I put him "in the discussion"....

Try to pay attention to what you are typing. Brees is probably a 15 QB of all-time but not a top 20 PLAYER of all-time. Get his balls off your chin.

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his picks have not come from the "arm." its come from horrible decisions. how many perfectly thrown long balls does he need to make this comment go away for at least a week.

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BUT..BUT...wait, he kind of "floated the pass" on that completion to Stills. He's a shell!

Total sidetrack but Brees is firmly in the discussion of top 20 players of all time. At least 10 of those players have to be QB's with how important the QB position is. Brees is easily a top 10 QB of all time for my money.

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Try to pay attention to what you are typing.

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I was very deliberate with my words

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Brees is probably a 15 QB of all-time but not a top 20 PLAYER of all-time.

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An argument could easily be made that Drew is a top 20 player of all time, especially when you take into account the shift to the passing game that exists now

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Get his balls off your chin.

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He threw them there with this:

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National Football League records[edit]
Most consecutive games with at least 1 TD pass - 54[83]
Highest completion percentage, season – 71.2% (2011)
Most Seasons with 5,000+ passing yards - 4 (2008, 2011-2013)
Most completions in a season – 468 (2011)
Most 400+ completion seasons, career – 6 (2007-2008, 2010-2013)
Most consecutive 400+ completion seasons, career – 4 (2010-2013)
Most consecutive 350+ completion seasons, career – 8 (2006-2013)
Most consecutive seasons with 4,000+ passing yards – 8 (2006-2013)
Most consecutive seasons with 4,000+ passing yards and 30+ Touchdowns – 6, 2008-2013
Most consecutive seasons with 5,000+ passing yards – 3 (2011-2013)
Most consecutive seasons with 5,000+ passing yards and 30+ Touchdowns – 3, 2011-2013
Most games with 5+ touchdown passes, career – 8 (tied with Peyton Manning)
Most games with 5+ touchdown passes and no interceptions, career – 6
Most seasons with 70% pass completion rate (minimum 100 attempts per season) - 2 (2009 & 2011)
Most games with 30+ completions and 80% pass completion rate, career - 5
Most games with more than 80% pass completion rate, career (minimum 20 attempts per game) - 14
Most games with more than 80% pass completion rate and no interceptions, career (minimum 20 attempts per game) - 12
Most games with more than 80% pass completion rate, season (minimum 20 attempts per game) - 3 (tied with Ben Roethlisberger and Brett Favre)
Most games with more than 70% pass completion rate, season (minimum 20 attempts per game) - 10 (2011)
Most games with more than 70% pass completion rate and no interceptions, career (minimum 20 attempts per game) - 40
Most games, 250+ yards passing, season - 16 (2011)
Most 300+ yard passing games in a season – 13 (2011)
Most consecutive 300+ yard passing games – 9 (2011–2012, 2012-2013)
Most consecutive 300+ yard passing games (regular season and postseason combined)– 11 (2011-2012)
Most passing yards in first half of a regular season game — 346 (11/4/2007 vs. Jaguars)
Most games, 350+ yards passing, career - 42
Most games, 350+ yards passing, season - 8 (2011)
Most consecutive games with 350+ yards passing – 4 (Weeks 3,4,5,6; 2011)
Most passing yards in a season in away games - 2,852 (2011)
Most consecutive 400+ yard passing games - 2 (postseason games 2012) - tied with several other players
Most consecutive games with 450+ yards passing – 2 (postseason games 2012)
Most games with 400 yards passing and no interceptions, career - 9 combined (7 regular season, 2 postseason)
Most games with 20+ completions, season – 16 (2010-2012)
Most consecutive games with 20+ completions – 57 (2009–2013)[87]
Most consecutive games with 25+ completions - 11 (11/25/2012-10/06/2013)
Most games with 30+ completions, season – 9 (2011)
Most games with 30+ completions, career – 41
Most games with 30+ completions and no interceptions, career – 19
Most games with 39+ completions, career – 4 combined (2 regular season, 2 playoff games)
Most passing completions per game, career – 24.27 comp/game
Most passing attempts per game, career – 36.78 att/game
Most passing attempts per game, postseason- 42.27 att/game
Most passing yards per game, career – 276.03 yards/game
Most passing completions per game, season – 29.25 comp/game (2011)
Most passing completions per game, postseason - 27.82 comp/game
Highest post-season completion percentage, career – 65.8%
Lowest post-season interception percentage, career – 1.29%
Highest average passing yards per game in postseason- 321.73 (11 games)
Most completions in a Super Bowl – 32 (Super Bowl XLIV, tied with Tom Brady)[88]
Most completions in a playoff game – 40 (at San Francisco, 1/14/2012)
Most pass attempts in a playoff game with zero interceptions – 60 (at Seattle, 1/8/2011)[89]
Most pass completions in a playoff game with zero interceptions – 39 (at Seattle, 1/8/2011)[89]
Most passing yards in a playoff game with zero interceptions – 466 (vs. Detroit, 1/7/2012)
Most consecutive pass attempts without an interception during the playoffs – 226 (January 21, 2007 – January 14, 2012)
Most Consecutive Playoff Games, 2+ Touchdown Passes - 7 (2006 – 2012) (tied with Terry Bradshaw and Joe Montana)
Most Playoff Games, 400+ yards passing - 3 (2011–12; consecutive)
Most Consecutive Playoff Games, 450+ yards passing - 2 (2012)
Best Passing Touchdown to Interception ratio in postseason - 4-1 (24 TD Passes - 6 interceptions)
Best Completions to Interception ratio in postseason - 51-1 (306 Completions - 6 interceptions)
Best Passing Yards to Interception ratio in postseason - 589.83-1 (3,539 Passing Yards - 6 interceptions)
Best Passing Touchdown per Game Average, Postseason - 2.182 (24 TD Passes/11 postseason games)
Most consecutive postseason games with 30+ pass completions- 4 (2/7/2010–1/14/2012)
Fastest player to reach for 40,000 career passing yards-152 GP
Fastest player to reach for 50,000 career passing yards-183 GP

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You illiterate shite

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especially Meachem

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jesus lets not bring this guy up. im fricking done with Meachem. he plays with no heart anymore and is completely useless. i have no clue why he gets so many snaps. he is washed up and needs to be benched. hell, one of Brees' picks probably wouldve been broken up if Meachem gave a shite.


i honestly see this year a wash and a learning experience. some of these players need to come to terms with their play and realize what it takes to be successful. we will see offensive line changes this offseason. we arent THAT far off from getting back to where we were. we need to hire better position coaches.

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especially when you take into account the shift to the passing game that exists now

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im not getting into this as it needs to be a different thread, but ALL TIME excludes the shift in how the game is played now. the top 10 is not all QBs. if you want to talk ALL TIME you take a player at the time of his play and how the game was played in that era, not compared to today.