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Sheldon Rankins v Andrew Billings v A'Shawn Robinson

Posted on 3/24/16 at 9:25 am
Posted by Fun Bunch
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Posted on 3/24/16 at 9:25 am
If we go DT with our first pick at 12, I feel like these 3 are the most likely selections, and the most mocked to us.

How does everyone feel about each of these guys? I'm going to post a little bit about each guy in this thread.

I'll preface this to say I am obviously not even close to a scout and do not even come close to pretending to be. I hate these douche bags that get online and say they "watched film" of a guy and now they are somehow experts. I'm just a dude who read some reports, watched college football, and watched some videos that draft sites put together for a few minutes. So really I'm talking about my arse a bit, just like everyone else. Anyway...

Personally, I'm not that huge a fan of Robinson. All of the video packages I've seen put together by all of the draft sites just leave me underwhelmed. The guy is an absolutely amazing physical specimen. I think that's what teams are drooling over, he's an amazing athlete. I just look at all of the video footage and see a guy not doing a whole lot. Getting stone walled a lot, not firing off the line. I see his teammates making a lot of plays though (Jarran Reed impresses me more sometimes). He does take on double teams a lot, which is something that is very much needed in a DT, but he doesn't seem to be a playmaker at all, despite a notorious blocked kick or two. With his size and athleticism, huge upside though. If we want a guy that with huge upside that can at the very least at first take on two blockers, he might be the guy.

Rankins I am starting to love. The guy is so damn quick, seems to have so many great moves. He's not the biggest guy at DT, but he's strong and relentless. He can pass rush from the interior better than most prospects I've seen, and he is disruptive as hell. Never stops. I like him.

Billings is the guy I knew least about. The more I see the more I like though. One of the youngest players in the draft, he just turned 21 this month. A little bit bigger than Rankins but not the behemoth that Robinson is, he is an elite athlete. Super powerful, destroys lineman with his power off the line it looks like. I see him and Rankins being pretty versatile scheme wise.

I personally would have Rankins and Billings close to each other, and Robinson behind them.

I will have scouting reports in the next 3 posts and update them with various things for those interested.
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
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Posted on 3/24/16 at 9:25 am to
Sheldon Rankins
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STRENGTHS Powerfully built lower half with very good strength. Is extremely compact, but still flexible and very athletic. Everything he does is explosive. Fires into blockers and can jolt and displace them with a combination of leverage and power. Strong base provides excellent balance to battle against double teams or down blocks. At times, will absolutely own finesse blockers. Elite foot quickness for interior defender. Will be difficult to hook or cross­face for NFL offensive linemen because of his lateral quickness. Plays with powerful, violent hands. Can play in 2­-gap or 1-­gap scheme and did just that at Louisville. Plays through the blocker reading and shedding on time to make tackles against the run. Loose, explosive hips that allow him to win edge battles and turn the corner as pass rusher and potentially excel in twist game. Highly productive pass rusher in each of the last two season. Bloodhound with great instincts to diagnose and shut­down screens.
WEAKNESSES Undersized for full-­time interior position by NFL standards. Flashes quite a bit on tape, but many of his victims lacked the strength that he?ll see from NFL guards. Despite having decent arm length, is hardly long-­levered and could struggle to turn the corner against an NFL redirect block once he gets on a guard?s edge. Average secondary rush when his initial charge is stymied. Scouts believe he could lose some quickness if he tries to bulk up to prepare for rigors of NFL interior play. Some teams are concerned about his lack of overall size which could hurt his stock.
SOURCES TELL US "Our area scout really likes him a lot and he's already angling for us to consider him, but he falls outside of the physical parameters of what we want from inside guys. I see him as only a 4­-3 nose for a one­-gap defense and that's the only fit." -- Former Louisville defensive tackle Brandon Dunn
NFL COMPARISON Grady Jarrett
BOTTOM LINE Everything about Rankins game screams winning football player. He has been extremely productive as a bull­rusher and edge rusher and he can hold the point of attack or play in gaps. Rankins is a ball of power with rare foot quickness, a great motor and outstanding feel for his position. With so many teams playing in sub­packages now, I would expect both 4-­3 and 3-­4 teams to consider him for an interior spot despite his shorter stature. Thanks to Rankins' ability to disrupt, I think he has a great shot at getting starter's snaps early on, but don't be shocked to see him fall a little in the draft due to his smaller stature.


NFL.com
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STRENGTHS: Offers the power to line up in the "A gap" and take on multiple blockers, but also has the lateral quickness to stunt and loop around bodies to close on the pocket. Displays terrific effort and is a determined chaser to catch ballcarriers from behind away from the line of scrimmage.
He was nearly unblockable during one-on-one drills at the Senior Bowl due to his quickness off the whistle and powerful arms to drive blockers backward. He used a variety of hand moves to swat jabs and swim past the blocker's shoulder. Also impressed during 11-on-11 reps due to his ball awareness, and his ability to read, detach himself from the block and make plays in the backfield.

Has heavy hands and terrific initial momentum to generate movement at the point of attack, seeing through blocks to accurately track the ball. Redirects well for a man his size, collecting himself on the move to break down in small spaces.

Impressed for a 300-pounder when asked to line up at defensive end due to injuries at times in 2015.

WEAKNESSES: Needs to continue to refine his skills. Has active hands, but is still developing his pass rush moves and the placement of his punch. Often the last lineman to move off the ball and needs to improve his snap anticipation. Doesn't always rush with a plan and lacks consistent move-to-move transition. Will stand up at times and needs to play with lower pad level.

COMPARES TO: Kawann Short, DT, Carolina Panthers - Although he has the skill-set that supersedes scheme, Rankins is ideally suited as a three-technique in a four-man front, fitting a similar role as Short in Carolina.

IN OUR VIEW: Rankins is one of the better run defenders in this draft class and continues to grow as a pass rusher. He entered Senior Bowl week with first-round grades and he only helped himself there with a dominating week.


CBS
This post was edited on 3/24/16 at 9:28 am
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
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Posted on 3/24/16 at 9:26 am to
Andrew Billings

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STRENGTHS Elite power with a weight­lifting background. Generates booming power from hip explosion and when his leverage is on point, he can be menacing. Moved from offensive line to defensive line in college and is getting better by leaps and bounds each year. Drops his pad level even lower when splitting double teams and charging through gaps. Uses violent, powerful swats and slaps to free of opposing hand placement. Instant reaction time makes it difficult to cross his face. Gets arm extension into blocker and stays clean as he pursues laterally. Ridiculous closing burst to the sideline for a big man. Dominates single blocks and is a sure­fire tackler when he gets hands on a running back. Improving pass rusher with an effective bull­ rush.
WEAKNESSES Top heavy. Powerful but short. Once he gets going in a direction, struggles to slow down and change directions. Recovery athleticism is average. Plays with good initial effort but an average secondary motor. Still learning techniques for the position. Raw as a pass rusher relying on power over a plan. Extremely young to play professionally. Will need positive locker room leaders to guide him as he matures.
NFL COMPARISON Chris Baker
BOTTOM LINE Billings won't turn 21 until March of 2016, but he has the overwhelming strength of a full­-grown NFL defensive tackle. With elite power and unusual closing speed for a big man, Billings has a chance to become something we rarely see ­-- a playmaking nose tackle with the ability to dominate at the point of attack. Teams will decide through research and interviews whether Billings can handle the NFL life at such a young age, but if he can, he has all-­pro potential.


NFL.com

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STRENGTHS: A load in the middle with brute power to engage blockers and toss them aside. Tough to block due to his blend of power and quickness.
At his best when he keeps his pad level low and rolls his hips at the point of attack to carry his momentum into the pocket. Has a motor that is always revving and effort isn't an issue.

WEAKNESSES: Needs to improve backfield vision and pre-snap anticipation. Relies on forward lean, leading to him overextending and ending up on the ground. Has room to improve his patience and ball awareness. Lacks ideal range to consistently make plays outside the hashes.

IN OUR VIEW: If the technique and discipline catch up to his natural brawling strength and mentality, Billings flashes dominant qualities. A scheme-versatile prospect, he will be valued as a nose tackle by odd fronts and a one-technique tackle by even fronts.

COMPARES TO: Bennie Logan, DT, Philadelphia Eagles - Similar to Logan, Billings isn't the most physically impressive lineman, but he is built low to the ground with a powerful base that will fit both even and odd fronts.


CBS

This post was edited on 3/24/16 at 9:30 am
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
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Posted on 3/24/16 at 9:26 am to
A'Shawn Robinson

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STRENGTHS Body beautiful for an interior lineman. Well-­proportioned with powerful, tree­ trunk legs make it tough to move him off the spot. Has boom in his punch and dislodges guards and centers if they try and wait on him. Pure power to toss a one-­on-­one block aside. Athletic enough to give reasonable chase to the ball. Well schooled in using length to stuff cut blocks. Has frame and length to eat blocks and allow linebackers to run free. Heavy tackler. Running backs do not break his tackles and he rarely fails to finish when he?s locked in on his target. Able to generate pocket push when he gets it cranked up as a pass rusher. Boss man in the locker room and in practice helping to hold teammates accountable. Coming into the draft with relatively fresh legs playing just 57 percent of Alabama?s defensive snaps over last two seasons. Has brute force to match NFL power immediately.
WEAKNESSES Pad level is his arch enemy. Plays too upright when asked to move. Looks to have flexibility to drop his pads, but doesn?t do it enough. Should be more consistent against double teams. Doesn?t impose his will as often as he could. Basic pass rusher without a winning, go-­to move or effective counter. Straight-­liner who cranks up initial push as bull-­rusher, but stalls out due to leverage loss. Needs to play with wider base to improve balance and base. Able to get upfield as an edge rusher, but rarely turns corner. Too content to lay on blocks when rush stalls rather than spin underneath or unleash a club move. Doesn?t play with the quickness or forward lean to threaten edges and win in the gaps.
NFL COMPARISON John Henderson
BOTTOM LINE Hard to find an interior lineman with a more well-­proportioned frame than Robinson. His size and overall talent level will have NFL teams drooling and projecting him along any and all defensive fronts, but his film might leave them hungry for more. As opposed to teammate Jarran Reed who already plays with polish, Robinson is a projection-­oriented two-­gapper who can step in right away and help plug holes in a leaky run defense. If Robinson can improve his leverage issues and pass rushing, he has all-­pro potential; however, he?s not a sure thing to become a star.


NFL.com

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STRENGTHS: Big-boned frame with proportionate thickness throughout. Powerful core and limbs to control the point of attack and stack-and-shed. Smooth athleticism with the lateral range to mirror and scrape down the line of scrimmage in pursuit. Hip flexibility and body control to work tight spaces. Shows the ability to lock out, press the hole and make stops in the gap.
Plays with shock in his hands to work through the trash. Can sink and drive his lower body to create separation from blocks or push the pocket. Strong ball awareness and backfield vision to recognize things quickly. Uses his big hands and long arms to knock the ball down at the line of scrimmage. Drawing constant double-teams and keep blockers busy.

WEAKNESSES: Underwhelming initial move and allows his pads to rise at contact, playing too upright and losing leverage. Not an explosive athlete and more of a one-note chaser. Below average pass rush skill-set, lacking the hand sequence or burst to consistently penetrate the pocket.

Thinks too much, causing him to be a step late. Needs to be more disciplined stacking the edge to hold outside contain and gain body angles. Wears himself out and just goes through the motions on several snaps. Unimpressive career production.

IN OUR VIEW: A stout run defender, Robinson is raw as a pass rusher, but his production doesn't always show on the stat sheet - was mostly asked to two-gap, clog things up and occupy blockers to free up the linebackers at Alabama. He is the poster prospect for the golden rule of scouting (traits over production).

COMPARES TO: Michael Brockers, DT, Los Angeles Rams - Although he doesn't have a sky-high ceiling, Robinson should start in the NFL for a long time as a three-down defender, fitting even and odd fronts, similar to Michael Brockers when he was a mid-first round pick out of LSU.


CBS
This post was edited on 3/24/16 at 9:31 am
Posted by Rand AlThor
Member since Jan 2014
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Posted on 3/24/16 at 9:30 am to
Of these three I like Rankins the most, but to be honest I'm not really interested in any of them at 12.
Posted by SnoopALoop
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Member since Apr 2014
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Posted on 3/24/16 at 9:31 am to
I just don't want a fat un-athletic slob that can't disrupt the QB or stuff the run. I want someone who can move around quick and still push the o-line back.

Rankins is my pick out of those 3.
Posted by Chad504boy
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Posted on 3/24/16 at 9:32 am to
Rankins, Butler and Kenny Clark are some of the DT's i like.
Posted by goatmilker
Castle Anthrax
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Posted on 3/24/16 at 9:33 am to
I like the Saints suck at seeing NFL talent in DT's.

I'm going to defer to Jeff Ireland to make the right call or two concerning DT's

The only thing I can say is in the three games I saw alabama play Reed looked better but was this because of Robinson?
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
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Posted on 3/24/16 at 9:35 am to
I like Butler and Clark as well.

Really the ideal draft for me is if one of the DE's like Buckner, Bosa or Lawson are there at 12, and then go DT in the 2nd with a guy like Butler or Clark.

But I'm really just saying, IF we go DT in the first, these 3 seem like the most likely, and I think you can throw Reed in there as well.
Posted by Chad504boy
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Posted on 3/24/16 at 9:36 am to
Rankins appears to be the best fit at 12 if available. but the obviousness makes it maybe far from realistic.
Posted by mm2316
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Member since Aug 2010
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Posted on 3/24/16 at 9:37 am to
Haven't really seen much film on Billings yet, but I'm really not a fan of Robinson at 12.

Once we get close to the draft I always like to watch some of the games of guys who I think we could be picking. Draftbreadkwon.com does a good job of compiling film of draft prospects.

Rankins
Billings Robinson
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
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Posted on 3/24/16 at 9:39 am to
Right, I agree, which is why I think the pick will be Mackensie Alexander or Eli Apple. I'm pretty convinced we go with something other than DL and CB seems the most likely.


But, again, IF we go DT...

Rankins. He is a pass rusher and a disrupter. We need that, bad.
Posted by Chad504boy
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Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 3/24/16 at 9:41 am to
Rankins does appear to be ideal from what payton has discussed and someone to pair with Jenkins. I've cooled a very little bit on DE at 12 with kikaha going to end.
Posted by Weekend Warrior79
Member since Aug 2014
16418 posts
Posted on 3/24/16 at 9:42 am to
Towards the end of last season these were the 3 guys I liked at 12; however, the more I read about them the more I do not want Robinson. He is starting to remind me of Clowny in his last year. He can dominate when he wants to, but he does not put out the constant effort. To me that is too big of a red flag for the 12th pick. If he were to fall to 47, I don't think it would be as big of a deal bc he could become a solid rotational guy.

If Rankins is available, I do not think we can pass on him. I think Billings would be a good pick only if he is the BPA.
Posted by Weekend Warrior79
Member since Aug 2014
16418 posts
Posted on 3/24/16 at 9:45 am to
quote:

I think you can throw Reed in there as well.


I do not understand why Reed has not been getting some of the same attention as Robinson. From the little I have seen of Bama, it seemed like Reed was more consistent and disrupting the play/backfield on a regular basis.

Posted by Rand AlThor
Member since Jan 2014
9442 posts
Posted on 3/24/16 at 9:49 am to
On the subject of Rankins: do you all think it's worth it to take a guy like him who isn't the most physically gifted? I just feel like we should be able to get more a sure thing at 12
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
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Posted on 3/24/16 at 9:49 am to
I agree, if we go with that position, it has to be Rankins I think. He is everything we are looking for in a DLineman. Disruptive, pass rusher, penetrates the back field, good moves, scheme versatile, smart.

The only problem is he IS undersized a bit. He's 6'1" 299 which isn't the biggest for a full time interior player, but there are guys who are fine at that weight.
Posted by Chad504boy
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Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 3/24/16 at 9:52 am to
quote:

He's 6'1" 299 which isn't the biggest for a full time interior player


i don't think its too much to ask for another LaRoi Glover huh?

read this sed ellis comparison to...
This post was edited on 3/24/16 at 9:59 am
Posted by WhySoSerious
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Member since Jan 2014
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Posted on 3/24/16 at 10:10 am to
I hope we trade back, get 3 picks in the first 2 rounds & get the 3 BPA out of Dodd, Rankins, Billings, Clark, Butler, C. Jones, Lawson, Reed, Nkemdiche, Robinson, Lee, Cravens, D. Jones, Spence & Calhoun.
Preferably 2 DT's & a DE.
This post was edited on 3/24/16 at 10:13 am
Posted by Big Sway
Member since Nov 2009
5133 posts
Posted on 3/24/16 at 10:25 am to
All the physical comparison is fine but the mental is what we need. We don't need another lazy fat arse fried chicken eating son of a b!@+$h bum DT.
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