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Retiring vs releasing

Posted on 2/24/16 at 9:22 am
Posted by LSUlefty
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Posted on 2/24/16 at 9:22 am
Is the cap hit the same?
Posted by Chad504boy
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Posted on 2/24/16 at 9:23 am to
I'd say no but don't ask me why.
Posted by BlacknGold
He Hate Me
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Posted on 2/24/16 at 10:02 am to
i think when you retire you leave money on the table because you are the one backing out of the contract. vs a team cutting you.

i believe thats why when a player retires and comes back, the original team still holds your rights.
Posted by Peazey
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Posted on 2/24/16 at 10:09 am to
I don't think it necessarily affects the cap any differently. Part of dead money is the signing bonus that is prorated to hit the cap over the life of the contract. When the player separates from the team before the contract is over what is left of the prorated bonus has to hit the cap all at once because a team can't get away with that money never being accounted for under the cap in some way. This is true regardless of how the player is separated I think.
Posted by htran90
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Posted on 2/24/16 at 11:20 am to
quote:

I don't think it necessarily affects the cap any differently. Part of dead money is the signing bonus that is prorated to hit the cap over the life of the contract. When the player separates from the team before the contract is over what is left of the prorated bonus has to hit the cap all at once because a team can't get away with that money never being accounted for under the cap in some way. This is true regardless of how the player is separated I think.



I thought the signing bonus gets a prorated return, so the "prorated bonus" portion that would be dead if you cut him gets taken off of your contractual obligations and thus gives you that cap relief.

I know Lynch's cap hit this year is 11.5mil, 2.5mil being prorated bonuses and 9.0mil being base salary. He is set to retire and Seattle said he can keep his signing bonus instead of having to return it, by doing so are they still on the hook for it in terms of cap hit?
Posted by Waldeaux24
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Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 2/24/16 at 11:59 am to
If I'm not mistaken, he keeps and Seattle is still on the hook for the bonus. However, the base salary comes off the books since he isn't receiving that. Also, whatever bonus money for future years, if applicable, that is left over also hits the cap, since he's either already been paid that or was guaranteed to be paid that. Not 100% sure, but I think that's how it works. Someone who's a cap guru may confirm or deny that.
Posted by Weekend Warrior79
Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 2/24/16 at 12:03 pm to
Not a guru, but my understanding from looking at this last year was...

Any Bonus money that is being prorated over the life of the contract has to hit the cap in 2016 (or 2017 if designated a June 1st cut).

If released, any guaranteed money yet to be paid hits the cap. If retired, any guaranteed money yet to be paid goes away since the player is walking away (don't know the affect if they decide to unretire).

If retire and they decide to pay back any bonuses, then that would reduce the 2016 cap hit.
Posted by Peazey
Metry
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Posted on 2/24/16 at 12:04 pm to
This is going a bit over my understanding. I'd like to get some one a bit more knowledgeable in here.
This post was edited on 2/24/16 at 12:05 pm
Posted by Jcorye1
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Posted on 2/24/16 at 2:42 pm to
I don't think it messes with cap hits. That being said, technically the team can go after certain bonus monies, but they rarely do (as by the nature of "retiring" from a team it is usually an older player that's been there awhile and it would be awful PR)
Posted by LosLobos111
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Posted on 2/24/16 at 4:28 pm to
I found this on a ravens site called Russell street report:

quote:

When a player is released (or retires), the team is relieved of having the pay the player’s base salary (P5) and any Roster Bonus that may become due after that, but still will need to account for any Signing or Option Bonus prorations that haven’t yet counted against the Salary Cap.

Using the contract example above, if the player was released in year 4 of the deal, the team would not have to pay that Roster Bonus or the player’s base salary (P5) of $7M (or any base salaries thereafter).  However, the year 4 Bonus pro-rations ($2M + $1M) would still count and the year 5 Bonus prorations ($2M + $1M) would accelerate and immediately count against the Cap in year 4.  So, the team would still have to account for $6M of the player’s remaining Bonus prorations.  Since he was expected to count $10M against the Cap had he been on the team (his Cap number), the team would realize a Cap savings of $4M due to his release and have to carry $6M in “dead money” against the Salary Cap in year 4.

Since the prorations from year 5 accelerated against the Cap, there will be no future Cap implications from the release.

The retirement of a player is treated the same as the release of a player.


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