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Ranking All 32 Head Coaches by Tier
Posted on 8/26/14 at 1:19 pm
Posted on 8/26/14 at 1:19 pm
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It's an insider story, so I'll post the list and what they've said about our beloved CSP. If you want to know the scoop on anyone else, let me know.
Data was compiled by polling 30 ESPN league insiders.
Tier 1:
1. Bill Belichick (NE)
2. Pete Carroll (SEA)
3. Sean Payton (NO)
Tier 2:
4. Andy Reid (KC)
5. Tom Coughlin (NYG)
T-6. Mike McCarthy (GB)
T-6. Mike Tomlin (PIT)
8. Jim Harbaugh (SF)
9. John Harbaugh (BAL)
10. John Fox (DEN)
11. Jeff Fisher (STL)
12. Chip Kelly (PHI)
13. Bruce Arians (ARI)
14. Lovie Smith (TB)
15. Marvin Lewis (CIN)
Tier 3:
16. Chuck Pagano (IND)
17. Rex Ryan (NYJ)
18. Mike Smith (ATL)(overrated)
19. Gus Bradley (JAX)
T-20. Ken Whisenhunt (TEN)
T-20. Mike McCoy (SD)
22. Marc Trestman (CHI)
23. Ron Rivera (CAR)
Tier 4:
24. Mike Zimmer (MIN)
25. Jay Gruden (WAS)
26. Bill O'Brien (HOU)
27. Jim Caldwell (DET)
28. Doug Marrone (BUF)
29. Joe Philbin (MIA)
30. Jason Garrett (DAL)
31. Mike Pettine (CLE)
32. Dennis Allen (OAK)
CSP received 22 Tier 1 votes, 7 Tier 2 votes, and 1 Tier 3 vote.
It's an insider story, so I'll post the list and what they've said about our beloved CSP. If you want to know the scoop on anyone else, let me know.
Data was compiled by polling 30 ESPN league insiders.
Tier 1:
1. Bill Belichick (NE)
2. Pete Carroll (SEA)
3. Sean Payton (NO)
Tier 2:
4. Andy Reid (KC)
5. Tom Coughlin (NYG)
T-6. Mike McCarthy (GB)
T-6. Mike Tomlin (PIT)
8. Jim Harbaugh (SF)
9. John Harbaugh (BAL)
10. John Fox (DEN)
11. Jeff Fisher (STL)
12. Chip Kelly (PHI)
13. Bruce Arians (ARI)
14. Lovie Smith (TB)
15. Marvin Lewis (CIN)
Tier 3:
16. Chuck Pagano (IND)
17. Rex Ryan (NYJ)
18. Mike Smith (ATL)(overrated)
19. Gus Bradley (JAX)
T-20. Ken Whisenhunt (TEN)
T-20. Mike McCoy (SD)
22. Marc Trestman (CHI)
23. Ron Rivera (CAR)
Tier 4:
24. Mike Zimmer (MIN)
25. Jay Gruden (WAS)
26. Bill O'Brien (HOU)
27. Jim Caldwell (DET)
28. Doug Marrone (BUF)
29. Joe Philbin (MIA)
30. Jason Garrett (DAL)
31. Mike Pettine (CLE)
32. Dennis Allen (OAK)
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No coach in the league commanded as much respect as Payton did for his abilities as an offensive innovator. "I love his offensive mind -- fabulous," one executive said. A former GM gave Payton the nod over Carroll for that reason. "When I think of innovation, I think of Payton and what they do offensively to spread you out and [embarrass] you," this former GM said.
A former Saints assistant said Payton does a great job creating a culture of positive thinking, but not all outsiders see him in a favorable light. Payton was tied with Carroll in the second spot until one of the final people I polled gave him only a 3 -- the lone 3 Payton received from anyone. This front-office person and one other person I polled thought some of Payton's antics -- for example, playing drums for Jimmy Buffett while the singer wore a "Free Sean Payton" shirt during Payton's year-long suspension -- reflected a tendency for Payton to make things about himself too much. "What I get uncomfortable with him is, you see a lot of ego to the point that it can get in the way," this executive said. "He will switch defensive coordinators every year [three times since 2008] and it gets in the way of maximizing a great quarterback in his prime."
A coach who worked with Payton dismissed those concerns. "I can understand where someone would think that about Sean, but there is a reason he made it about him," this coach said. "The reason he makes it about him is he is a Bill Parcells disciple. He makes it about him so for the players, it's all about team. They don't want any 'stars' on the team. Everything is about team. Belichick is much the same way. Sean can come off as cocky and rub someone the wrong way, but he is very enthusiastic. I love him to death."
CSP received 22 Tier 1 votes, 7 Tier 2 votes, and 1 Tier 3 vote.
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Posted on 8/26/14 at 1:22 pm to 4thandinches
You'd have to be an idiot to put CSP in tier 3.
Posted on 8/26/14 at 1:23 pm to 4thandinches
quote:
This front-office person and one other person I polled thought some of Payton's antics
quote:
He will switch defensive coordinators every year [three times since 2008] and it gets in the way of maximizing a great quarterback in his prime."
If said FO person doesn't understand why the DC has changed so much recently, then he will be unemployed soon enough
Posted on 8/26/14 at 1:23 pm to 4thandinches
quote:
"What I get uncomfortable with him is, you see a lot of ego to the point that it can get in the way," this executive said. "He will switch defensive coordinators every year [three times since 2008] and it gets in the way of maximizing a great quarterback in his prime."
What?? How can you argue with any of the D-coordinator firings, and where we are now? And how has he gotten in the way of maximizing Drew Brees, the QB with 4 out of the only 8 seasons from a QB throwing 5,000 yards?
Posted on 8/26/14 at 1:24 pm to Hoodoo Man
It really aggravates me that just because of his "antics" he's put him in tier 3. Look at the list of names in that tier. CSP is astronomically better than every one of them.
Posted on 8/26/14 at 1:24 pm to Hoodoo Man
if Rex Ryan is not considered tier 3 - how the hell does CSP recieve a tier 3 vote? probly the Atlanta GM.
Posted on 8/26/14 at 1:25 pm to mm2316
Don't forget that Brees also holds the highest completion rate of any QB in Canton right now.
Posted on 8/26/14 at 1:26 pm to Hoodoo Man
And he skewed the numbers because he is a petty, little mofo.
Posted on 8/26/14 at 1:27 pm to Ldrake53
Did he include Gregg in that? Pretty sure we didn't have much of a choice to lose him.
This post was edited on 8/26/14 at 1:28 pm
Posted on 8/26/14 at 1:30 pm to 4thandinches
Tomlin deserves to be in the top 3 IMO. Way above Andy Reid, he can't even win in the post season. He's a great players coach, and despite a dreadful FO he's still found a way to win with what he's got. I think Pete Carrol is just flavor of the month - his ultimate test will be if he can keep his team engaged after the SB win.
This post was edited on 8/26/14 at 1:33 pm
Posted on 8/26/14 at 1:31 pm to 4thandinches
quote:
"He will switch defensive coordinators every year [three times since 2008] and it gets in the way of maximizing a great quarterback in his prime."
someone remind me how we won the 2009 super bowl again?
Posted on 8/26/14 at 1:32 pm to bountyhunter
quote:
Tomlin deserves to be in the top 3 IMO.
yea like um no.
Posted on 8/26/14 at 1:33 pm to Chad504boy
quote:
yea like um no.
That list is a joke dude, he's top 4 material at least. Andy Reid in the top 4 when he hasn't done anything in the postseason, anywhere.
This post was edited on 8/26/14 at 1:58 pm
Posted on 8/26/14 at 1:34 pm to 4thandinches
Tier 5
Jerry Jones
That is a solid ranking. The overwhelming majority of winning coaches have large egos and act like douche bags from time to time.
Jerry Jones
That is a solid ranking. The overwhelming majority of winning coaches have large egos and act like douche bags from time to time.
Posted on 8/26/14 at 1:35 pm to bountyhunter
quote:
Tomlin deserves to be in the top 3 IMO
I would have agreed 3 years ago
quote:
and despite a dreadful FO he's still found a way to win with what he's got
Not really. I mean, I guess you can call 8-8 "winning"
Steelers are just old and Big Ben has declined about as fast as a QB can, so it's not all on Tomlin. I do like him as a HC though. I wouldn't put him top 3
quote:
I think Pete Carrol is just flavor of the month - his ultimate test will be if he can keep his team engaged after the SB win.
I wish I felt the same b/c I'm not a fan, but he took a dreadful Seattle team and won a SB and completely changed the culture in just a few years. Much like Payton did here.
This post was edited on 8/26/14 at 1:37 pm
Posted on 8/26/14 at 1:37 pm to bountyhunter
quote:
That list is a joke dude, he's top 4 material at least.
if the coaches were put into a draft, i doubt tomlin is taken in the top 6-7 picks.
Posted on 8/26/14 at 1:40 pm to Chad504boy
Only because of racism.
Posted on 8/26/14 at 1:40 pm to 4thandinches
quote:
A former Saints assistant said Payton does a great job creating a culture of positive thinking, but not all outsiders see him in a favorable light. Payton was tied with Carroll in the second spot until one of the final people I polled gave him only a 3 -- the lone 3 Payton received from anyone. This front-office person and one other person I polled thought some of Payton's antics -- for example, playing drums for Jimmy Buffett while the singer wore a "Free Sean Payton" shirt during Payton's year-long suspension -- reflected a tendency for Payton to make things about himself too much. "What I get uncomfortable with him is, you see a lot of ego to the point that it can get in the way," this executive said. "He will switch defensive coordinators every year [three times since 2008] and it gets in the way of maximizing a great quarterback in his prime."
Geez. Wtf.
Posted on 8/26/14 at 1:44 pm to Hoodoo Man
quote:
Only because of racism.
or was just riding the coat tails of dick lebeau
Posted on 8/26/14 at 1:47 pm to bountyhunter
quote:
Tomlin deserves to be in the top 3 IMO
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