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Quarterback Draft Pick Discussion
Posted on 3/29/17 at 12:28 pm
Posted on 3/29/17 at 12:28 pm
Most are expecting a selection somewhere in the draft. The question is who and when? Here's my take to start some dialogue.
#11- I do not think they choose one here even if all were still on the board. They have done due diligence and meetings with all the top picks. DD is to establish your big board. So nobody at 11 but what if you had ______ pegged at 15-20-ish and he is available at 25 to 31? You need to be armed with precise values to know when to hop fast or even trade up a couple of spots.
#32- I can see one here IF such a value as above is presented. For me Watson or Trubisky might be cannot pass there. Mahomes I could see them taking but not as a must-pick on value. I see him late 1st/early 2nd value. In discussions we have had here, the 5 year issue for 1st Rders might be a push for him too rather than try at just 10 picks later for only 4 years.
#42- As noted, if they want someone in this range I see them jumping more at 32 than 42 just for the contract. Maybe Kizer could fit here? It is difficult for me to imagine him as a #32 reach.
#76- Now you are in a different value/risk range. If no one at 32 this is where I think we would see one most likely picked. Webb and Kaaya would be my guesses. Webb at 76 would be my prediction today if he was available.
After 3rd Rd it is more just take a shot to see if the guy can develop. Peterman might be the best in that range. Beyond him, who knows?
Whatchu say?
#11- I do not think they choose one here even if all were still on the board. They have done due diligence and meetings with all the top picks. DD is to establish your big board. So nobody at 11 but what if you had ______ pegged at 15-20-ish and he is available at 25 to 31? You need to be armed with precise values to know when to hop fast or even trade up a couple of spots.
#32- I can see one here IF such a value as above is presented. For me Watson or Trubisky might be cannot pass there. Mahomes I could see them taking but not as a must-pick on value. I see him late 1st/early 2nd value. In discussions we have had here, the 5 year issue for 1st Rders might be a push for him too rather than try at just 10 picks later for only 4 years.
#42- As noted, if they want someone in this range I see them jumping more at 32 than 42 just for the contract. Maybe Kizer could fit here? It is difficult for me to imagine him as a #32 reach.
#76- Now you are in a different value/risk range. If no one at 32 this is where I think we would see one most likely picked. Webb and Kaaya would be my guesses. Webb at 76 would be my prediction today if he was available.
After 3rd Rd it is more just take a shot to see if the guy can develop. Peterman might be the best in that range. Beyond him, who knows?
Whatchu say?
Posted on 3/29/17 at 12:34 pm to blueslover
I'd rather Chase Daniels than anyone available in the 3rd round.
Posted on 3/29/17 at 12:56 pm to blueslover
Don't see them taking a QB in the first round unless Watson or someone falls to 32 somehow. After that I don't think there is anyone worth spending a pick on. Maybe a 6th rounder on Chad Kelly.
Posted on 3/29/17 at 1:19 pm to TigahJay
lets hope Mitch falls to 32, then we can trade Cleveland and pick up an extra pick
Posted on 3/29/17 at 1:20 pm to blueslover
I say it's Mahomes or bust. If you like him that much, take him. If not, pass on every other QB after him. If you're going to gamble on a pick, which taking any QB after round 2 essentially is, gamble on a position of need not want. Wait until next year if that's the case.
Posted on 3/29/17 at 1:29 pm to blueslover
Oakland is now in a situation of wishing they had the 5th year option on Derek Carr. Taking the right QB for our system at #32 instead of 42 is not the end of the world. In fact, it's probably worth picking 10 spots higher in order to get the extra year. The other thing to consider is who picks between those 2 picks. You may be gambling that the QB prospect that you want is there.
Posted on 3/29/17 at 1:32 pm to mark65mc
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Taking the right QB for our system at #32 instead of 42 is not the end of the world.
You 100% pick the QB at 32 if you WOULD take him at 42. The 5th year option for a QB is too valuable.
Posted on 3/29/17 at 1:35 pm to mark65mc
I think 32 is definitely the spot.
If you like a guy enough that 5th season is definitely worth the 10 picks and grabbing him at 32. Honestly I think a mid round pick is more of a waste. Mid round qbs having significant NFL success definitely the exception. If we don't take the successor to Brees at 32 or 42 at latest,I'd rather wait till next year.
If you like a guy enough that 5th season is definitely worth the 10 picks and grabbing him at 32. Honestly I think a mid round pick is more of a waste. Mid round qbs having significant NFL success definitely the exception. If we don't take the successor to Brees at 32 or 42 at latest,I'd rather wait till next year.
Posted on 3/29/17 at 1:36 pm to St Augustine
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I think 32 is definitely the spot.
If you like a guy enough that 5th season is definitely worth the 10 picks and grabbing him at 32. Honestly I think a mid round pick is more of a waste. Mid round qbs having significant NFL success definitely the exception. If we don't take the successor to Brees at 32 or 42 at latest,I'd rather wait till next year.
some days i think this, some days i just wake up and say Drew's going to play this year and sign a 3 yr extension thereafter.... so what the frick for?!
Posted on 3/29/17 at 1:40 pm to Chad504boy
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some days i think this, some days i just wake up and say Drew's going to play this year and sign a 3 yr extension thereafter.... so what the frick for?!
Rodgers was behind Favre for 3 seasons. To have an understudy learn for 3 seasons would be great.
I think for Mahomes, he probably needs 2-3 years of learning to run a complete NFL offense.
Posted on 3/29/17 at 1:43 pm to mark65mc
Have the Saints met with Kizer? I feel like if they go qb at 32 or 42 those are the two with the most prototype skills that would benefit most from several years under Brees to learn the nuances of NFL quarterbacking. What better legacy outside of winning another title could he leave in his last few years than helping ensure we're set at qb for another decade.
Posted on 3/29/17 at 1:55 pm to St Augustine
The one thing that I like about Mahomes a little bit more than Kizer is that he improved his completion percentage, while Kizer's went down. Kizer was actually below 60% on the season. Mahomes was at 66% last year.
Now that could have something to do with his receivers or the type of the throws that he is asked to do. Whatever the reason, our QB has to complete a high percentage of his passes. That's why I lean towards Mahomes over Kizer.
Now that could have something to do with his receivers or the type of the throws that he is asked to do. Whatever the reason, our QB has to complete a high percentage of his passes. That's why I lean towards Mahomes over Kizer.
Posted on 3/29/17 at 1:59 pm to St Augustine
But if ya score on a mid rounder, how sweet is that...
Scanning back-
AJ McCarron #164, not proven but they can get more than that for him in trade now
Mike Glennon #73 not convinced myself but starting
Russell Wilson #75- just think if they had bet the farm on Flynn without this pick in 2012
Foles #88
Cousins #102
Tyrod Taylor #180
Kyle Orton #106
for kicks Brees #32
Mark Bulger #168 then let him get away
Aaron Brooks #131
Hasslebeck #187
and finally #199 Tom Brady
Scanning back-
AJ McCarron #164, not proven but they can get more than that for him in trade now
Mike Glennon #73 not convinced myself but starting
Russell Wilson #75- just think if they had bet the farm on Flynn without this pick in 2012
Foles #88
Cousins #102
Tyrod Taylor #180
Kyle Orton #106
for kicks Brees #32
Mark Bulger #168 then let him get away
Aaron Brooks #131
Hasslebeck #187
and finally #199 Tom Brady
Posted on 3/29/17 at 2:13 pm to blueslover
Mahomes won't be there at 32. But I don't put it past Payton to use 32+ a 2nd or 3rd to move up into the early 20's . That extra pick is screaming trade, sadly. That is just how they think.
Posted on 3/29/17 at 2:14 pm to Lester Earl
if we don't do a butler trade (which i still think it gets done) i'd love to move up from that 42 pick. Keep that 32 pick and see if someone throws us an offer too good to pass up to close out round 1.
Posted on 3/29/17 at 2:22 pm to blueslover
Need immediate starters on defense with the first two picks before preparing for Brees' departure
Posted on 3/29/17 at 2:23 pm to Lester Earl
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That extra pick is screaming trade, sadly. That is just how they think.
agree, too much history to not see the possibility.
If we want to list the biggest general failures under Payton their lust to move up for particular players is on my list. Near the top. Sticking with McMahon, Vitt, Johnson so long maybe more.
Posted on 3/29/17 at 2:27 pm to blueslover
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But if ya score on a mid rounder, how sweet is that... Scanning back- AJ McCarron #164, not proven but they can get more than that for him in trade now Mike Glennon #73 not convinced myself but starting Russell Wilson #75- just think if they had bet the farm on Flynn without this pick in 2012 Foles #88 Cousins #102 Tyrod Taylor #180 Kyle Orton #106 for kicks Brees #32 Mark Bulger #168 then let him get away Aaron Brooks #131 Hasslebeck #187 and finally #199 Tom Brady
No doubt but how many of those do you REALLY want as your qb for a decade plus?
Wilson, Brady, Hasselbeck and maybe cousins over 10-15 years of drafting? Now I also think there's probably a huge number of early 1st rd busts. Seems like a lot of the better qbs in the league are first/ second rounders but not necessarily in the top 3.
Posted on 3/29/17 at 2:56 pm to St Augustine
I guess I'm in the minority when I say that I think it's a horrible decision to take a QB @ 32 or in the 2nd
That's ok, I can take on all of you meanies
That's ok, I can take on all of you meanies
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